Como tenement photo

[Todd Hackett]

I just picked up a photo of Como that shows some nice details on the tenement building that I don't remember seeing before. A nice view of the round house and depot as well.

[Paul R.]

Todd,
I notice 2chimneys on the boilerhouse and a tapered roof and skirt on the water tank. what date would that make the photos. Paul R

[Chris Walker]

To me the cars appear to be lettered mostly UPD&G.  Nice find Todd.

And a view of the Tank without the rolling stock in the way see: http://www.narrowgauge.org/ngc/graphics/excursion4/gkazel/dspp-gk-025.jpg
OR: http://c-sng-discussion-forum.41377.n7.nabble.com/Como-Roundhouse-Addition-tp9120p9148.html

[Jeff Ramsey]

Is it my Imagination or are those U&N 4 wheel coal cars in front of the sand bin and coal shute trestle?

[Todd Hackett]

Jeff Ramsey wrote

Is it my Imagination or are those U&N 4 wheel coal cars in front of the sand bin and coal shute trestle?

I can't make those out. I'm not sure what the 4-wheel U&N cars looked like, but these look like individual trucks. Then again, it looks like some have some sort of a body on them. This is my scanner's maximum optical resolution, which is more than the print really supports.

Jeff Ramsey wrote

I wish I could enlarge this image as it shows the tower like apparatus which I think is a syphoning, adjustable condenser which is in front of the left window of the second stall. In front of the right window of the same stall is a feed hot water heater for the 2 stationary boiler s. Both of these components comprised of the stationary steam generating system of the roundhouse.

Another close-up beyond the detail in the print:

I can't make out much of what's there, but this is as much detail as my print can provide.

[Jim Courtney]

Fascinating photo, Todd.

All kinds of neat things to study.

In the photo of the tenements, not the three coal cars, different from the rest:





They seem a bit taller and a bit darker, hinting that they have fresher paint.  The reporting marks are not legible, just white splotches spread about the car frame and sides, but consistent from car to car.

The layout of the white splotches remind me of this old friend of ours:





What' do ya'll think??

So if the coal cars in your Como photo are 4-board St Charles coal cars, delivered in December of 1898, that would date your photo to the dawn of the new C&S, say 1899.

Many of the other freight cars, including white fascia board boxcars, appear to still carry UP lettering, not yet re-lettered.

Other interesting species of freight car are down by the water tank:





To my eye, the presence of "slats" and diagonals suggest that all three cars are stock cars. Again, what do ya'll think??

The car in the middle seems a little shorter than the one on the right. The car in the middle also seems to have a wide letter board to the left of the door, with a railroad name and car number below it centered on the letter board.  Derrell Poole drew plans for the DL&G and UPD&G stock cars that were rebuilt in the 1890s to new 27 foot cars, of uniform design. They had outside sheathed ends and wide letter boards to the left of the door. Perhaps the car in Todd's photo is one of these cars, still with Union Pacific lettering.

The car on the right, if a stock car, seems a bit longer, a bit taller and a bit darker. The letter boards are different, with some road name on the left, number on the right, both centered. Any chance it could be one of these:





If the car to the right is a 1900 AC&F stock car, then the photo would date a year later, after the June, 1900 delivery of these cars to the new C&S.

I'm not convinced about the "stock" car on the right. The letter boards, if that's what they are, seem higher than on the AC&F car. Maybe it's another of the 1890s, 27 foot cars with a different lettering arangement. Or maybe it's not even a stock car, could be a boxcar.

Fascinating stuff, fascinating photo . . .

[Robert Stears]

Could these be Flangers?

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On Jan 7, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Jim Courtney [via C&Sng Discussion Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Fascinating photo, Todd.

All kinds of neat things to study.

In the photo of the tenements, not the three coal cars, different from the rest:





They seem a bit taller and a bit darker, hinting that they have fresher paint.  The reporting marks are not legible, just white splotches spread about the car frame and sides, but consistent from car to car.

The layout of the white splotches remind me of this old friend of ours:





What' do ya'll think??

So if the coal cars in your Como photo are 4-board St Charles coal cars, delivered in December of 1898, that would date your photo to the dawn of the new C&S, say 1899.

Many of the other freight cars, including white fascia board boxcars, appear to still carry UP lettering, not yet re-lettered.

Other interesting species of freight car are down by the water tank:





To my eye, the presence of "slats" and diagonals suggest that all three cars are stock cars. Again, what do ya'll think??

The car in the middle seems a little shorter than the one on the right. The car in the middle also seems to have a wide letter board to the left of the door, with a railroad name and car number below it centered on the letter board.  Derrell Poole drew plans for the DL&G and UPD&G stock cars that were rebuilt in the 1890s to new 27 foot cars, of uniform design. They had outside sheathed ends and wide letter boards to the left of the door. Perhaps the car in Todd's photo is one of these cars, still with Union Pacific lettering.

The car on the right, if a stock car, seems a bit longer, a bit taller and a bit taller. The letter boards are different, with some road name on the left, number on the right, both centered. Any chance it could be one of these:





If the car to the right is a 1900 AC&F stock car, then the photo would date a year later, after the June, 1900 delivery of these cars to the new C&S.

I'm not convinced about the "stock" car on the right. The letter boards, if that's what they are, seem higher than on the AC&F car. Maybe it's another of the 1890s, 27 foot cars with a different lettering arangement. Or maybe it's not even a stock car, could be a boxcar.

Fascinating stuff, fascinating photo . . .

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[Jim Courtney]

Good call, Bob.

I see flanger "wings" between each pair of trucks.

The 3 on the left, pointed to the right. The one on the right, pointed left.

[Keith Hayes]

Good spotting, Jim. Did the UPD&G really have four (4) [four??] flangers? And isn't the design a D&RGW patent?

[Mike Trent]

I think there were at one time four C&S flangers, and these were probably all of them in UPD&G days. In later days, only 015 survived as a flanger, and I think it was 013 that was used, bladeless, as a dual gauge idler in Leadville.

This is a most extraordinary find, that all four of them appear in Como in a single photo.

[ComoDepot]

Looking at the Hotel and Depot I would put it between 1903 and 1910.

[Paul R.]

When was the sheathing removed from the water tank? Paul R.

[Jeff Ramsey]

Yes Jim, I see them now as all four flangers in yard by the sand bin. How unusual??

[Jeff Ramsey]

Todd, you wouldn't happen to have scanning of the missing crop of the yard and town between the Depot and roundhouse?

[John Droste]

Jim, could the middle car be some kind of baggage or mail car? It seems to have a window to the right end.