DSP&P Freight Car Siding

[Robert McFarland]

Was there any similarity between the Tiffany car siding and the siding used on the Litchfield 26ft 600 series "Cardinal" boxcar?What about the siding used on the earlier Barney&Smith 26' boxcars or the later 27' and 30' DSP&P boxcars?

[Rick Steele]

Sounds like a good detective case.

Go for it, Sherlock.

I wonder, though, where you would find the original specs. I know that a lot of builders used the "Double Board" Siding. That is one board with a center groove to look like individual boards (done for aesthetics or warpage? I'll go with warpage because it costs extra to cut the center groove.

As far as the differences between the builders, your guess is as good as mine. I don't have any of the original construction specs from Barney & Smith, Litchfield, St. Charles, Peninsular or ACF.

Rick

[Bill Uffelman]

FWIW Pine boards 1x6 or1x8 tongue and groove with center groove  are commonly called car siding. I used a bunch of white pine for a vaulted ceiling then lumber yard ran out and sent yellow pine - big problem!

Bill  Uffelman
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From:"Rick Steele [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]>
Date:Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:18 PM
Subject:Re: DSP&P Freight Car Siding

Sounds like a good detective case.

Go for it, Sherlock.

I wonder, though, where you would find the original specs. I know that a lot of builders used the "Double Board" Siding. That is one board with a center groove to look like individual boards (done for aesthetics or warpage? I'll go with warpage because it costs extra to cut the center groove.

As far as the differences between the builders, your guess is as good as mine. I don't have any of the original construction specs from Barney & Smith, Litchfield, St. Charles, Peninsular or ACF.

Rick

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[Robert McFarland]

Maxwell plans on Crain's Railway Pages specify 5 1/4 T&G with a center bead for the 26' Litchfield boxcars.I was wondering what the siding was on the Leadville Shops Tiffany Reefers.Could this siding be used to build the Litchfield cars.

[Rick Steele]

Leadville Shops? Do you mean the Tiffany that was used as a storage shed outside the Leadville Roundhouse? I don't remember seeing any beadboard siding on that one, just the usual tongue-in-groove.

[Bill Uffelman]

Car siding has a groove in the middle not a bead like beaded ceiling/siding that these days is often used as wainscoting.  Groove matches the edge bevel at the tongue and groove joint between two adjoining boards.

Bill Uffelman
Ocean View DE

[Chris Walker]

Hows this for an image?  What we call TG&V down here, except the V is more of a half-round groove.

From DPL http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/fullbrowser/collection/p15330coll21/id/10012/rv/singleitem

[Bill Uffelman]

I note that your groove is off center unlike car siding.

Bill Uffelman

Ocean View DE

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Hows this for an image?  What we call TG&V down here, except the V is more of a half-round groove.

From DPL http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/fullbrowser/collection/p15330coll21/id/10012/rv/singleitem

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[Chris Walker]

And the 1st layer beneath that has 1/4-1/2-1/4 spacing of the half-rounds, done for drainage I suppose.

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[Chris Walker]

Does anyone care to speculate on the indented roof grabiron?
I offer that it was a refuge to lock the Brakemans Boot Heel whilst riding the moving car.

What say you guys?
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[Doug Heitkamp]

Here are some shots of the roof boards and siding on the DSP&P car that was at Cardinal. they clearly show the double grooves on the roof boards and that the "groove" on the car siding is really a "half round" bead.

[Robert McFarland]

I was referring to the new laser-cut car kits produced by THE LEADVILLE SHOPS

[Bill Uffelman]

More like beaded ceiling than "car siding" -- guess that's what makes the South Park unique!

Bill Uffelman

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Here are some shots of the roof boards and siding on the DSP&P car that was at Cardinal. they clearly show the double grooves on the roof boards and that the "groove" on the car siding is really a "half round" bead.

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[Chris Walker]

Please, a "Bead" is not a channel or groove but a protrusion as such the half-round edge found on the Flares of Tenders.

[Derrell Poole]

I have a question about this subject...

How many splinters are in a board....?

[Robert McFarland]

All I have been saying from the beginning is: Can the Leadville Shops Tiffany siding be used to model the Cardinal boxcar,or is the spacing too big/small?

[Doug Heitkamp]

Robert,

I don't know the answer - I don't own a kit to measure. Have you contacted them and asked? They have a Facebook page and Bill M. and Bob S. are on here, not sure about Doug J.

Doug

[Derrell Poole]

Robert. Really! Rick then Doug and now I'm telling you; no one knows because we don't have that information. We likely would have shared that info many times over already if we did! BTW did you do a search of the blog or any of the past groups or books?

Bill made his best calculated guess for the LS kit. Suggest you do the same.

[Darel Leedy]

Ummm....actually the first question you posted was about siding comparisons of the prototype. I enjoyed and learned from the lesson which evolved. Thanks guys!
Have you made any of those fancy roof grabs brother d?