Re: Here is location of 1st Como Depot
Posted by John Droste on
URL: http://c-sng-discussion-forum.254.s1.nabble.com/Here-is-location-of-1st-Como-Depot-tp18859p18878.html
Dave & Jimmy,
Dave. Yes, the two buildings that you have drawn a line between is what I am referring to.
As mentioned previously,
http://c-sng-discussion-forum.254.s1.nabble.com/History-the-ego-identity-tp18831p18835.html
the building behind the power pole was the D&RG station its second location, to my knowledge.
And I am saying that it was moved to its third location to the far side of the building pointed at with the arrow.
The last location was used for such a short time that it did not even get a listing in the City directory.
It was explained in I believe Mac Poor's book in the section on the RG or Kenton Forrest's book, Denvers Railroads and will go for the latter that conditions were so bad for the D&RG that they moved into the Union Station "while the paint was still wet."
The first location for the D&RG station was the other side of Cherry creek near 11th & 12th streets, if that makes sense. I believe from observations that the three locations had the very same building. That would mean that the station would have to be slid across the rebuilt Cherry Creek bridge. I am seeking photos of that bridge currently to know if that was possible.
During these moves, I believe the D&RG shared depots with both the DSP&P and the CC.
My books are currently packed away so it is difficult to verify quoting direct passages to a page.
As to referencing where I gain much of my information, it is a very worthy question requiring explanation. I will do that but it will be a long explanation as there are various factors involved.
In the meantime I will post a page from the Denver City directory without link (DLP) that gives the location of the D&RG Freight depot where it can be seen behind the D&RG Station in the photo in the location of the photo discussed. The year of the photo being taken is 1874 incidentally. Today, the Union Station would be in the background. The link below will be of a year before the Cherry creek flood, which I am not sure exactly what year that was off hand. But obviously before 1874 as was the history of the photo described to me.
Hello now, I have found my links to the yearly City Directory pages on Station locations.
Some of the links may be wrong pages, Sorry.
But at the very bottom I have kept the notes from the person that shared with me the information which I shall not name.
Nor will I give the name to anyone that has shared information to me in confidence that the source not be revealed.
Links below,
John.
1884 map of denver
Reference URL
http://cdm16079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll39/id/8
1880 annual directory
page http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/8670
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/8670
1881 directory page 25
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/9690
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/9102
1879 page 25 passenger and freight depot together
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/8369
1878 passenger and freight together
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/8089
1877 ticket office, freight and passenger depot south west corner
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/7821
1876
freight and passenger depot south west corner
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/7540
1875 freight and passenger depot south west corner
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/7540
1874 freight and passenger south west corner
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/6989
1873 freight and passenger SOUTH EAST CORNER
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/6701
1872
file.php Map
1873 photo
1882 directory
Page 31
1882 railroad directory page
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/9721
Map, 1878-79 showing layout Of Kansas/Denver Pacific passenger and freight, Denver & Rio Grande and Colorado Central depots. In 1879 the Denver, South Park & Pacific was also interchanging with the Colorado Central thus the second bridge over cherry creek (Wewatta St), the D&RG being the first being rebuilt after the flood of 1878 (Wynkoop St).
Interesting subject. I think the D&RGRy had 4 different Denver stations before the completion of Denver Union Depot in 1881. I need to review some research material which I have in storage, perhaps I can post next week in detail. A big game changer was the washout and destruction of the bridge over Cherry Creek in 1878. Bo a Google search on D&RG annual reports 1871-1883 there are some building reports and valuation.
The second D&RG station is left of the telegraph pole, beyond the Kansas Pacific passenger train, 1873.
URL: http://c-sng-discussion-forum.254.s1.nabble.com/Here-is-location-of-1st-Como-Depot-tp18859p18878.html
Dave & Jimmy,
Dave. Yes, the two buildings that you have drawn a line between is what I am referring to.
As mentioned previously,
http://c-sng-discussion-forum.254.s1.nabble.com/History-the-ego-identity-tp18831p18835.html
the building behind the power pole was the D&RG station its second location, to my knowledge.
And I am saying that it was moved to its third location to the far side of the building pointed at with the arrow.
The last location was used for such a short time that it did not even get a listing in the City directory.
It was explained in I believe Mac Poor's book in the section on the RG or Kenton Forrest's book, Denvers Railroads and will go for the latter that conditions were so bad for the D&RG that they moved into the Union Station "while the paint was still wet."
The first location for the D&RG station was the other side of Cherry creek near 11th & 12th streets, if that makes sense. I believe from observations that the three locations had the very same building. That would mean that the station would have to be slid across the rebuilt Cherry Creek bridge. I am seeking photos of that bridge currently to know if that was possible.
During these moves, I believe the D&RG shared depots with both the DSP&P and the CC.
My books are currently packed away so it is difficult to verify quoting direct passages to a page.
As to referencing where I gain much of my information, it is a very worthy question requiring explanation. I will do that but it will be a long explanation as there are various factors involved.
In the meantime I will post a page from the Denver City directory without link (DLP) that gives the location of the D&RG Freight depot where it can be seen behind the D&RG Station in the photo in the location of the photo discussed. The year of the photo being taken is 1874 incidentally. Today, the Union Station would be in the background. The link below will be of a year before the Cherry creek flood, which I am not sure exactly what year that was off hand. But obviously before 1874 as was the history of the photo described to me.
Hello now, I have found my links to the yearly City Directory pages on Station locations.
Some of the links may be wrong pages, Sorry.
But at the very bottom I have kept the notes from the person that shared with me the information which I shall not name.
Nor will I give the name to anyone that has shared information to me in confidence that the source not be revealed.
Links below,
John.
1884 map of denver
Reference URL
http://cdm16079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll39/id/8
1880 annual directory
page http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/8670
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/8670
1881 directory page 25
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/9690
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/9102
1879 page 25 passenger and freight depot together
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/8369
1878 passenger and freight together
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/8089
1877 ticket office, freight and passenger depot south west corner
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/7821
1876
freight and passenger depot south west corner
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/7540
1875 freight and passenger depot south west corner
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/7540
1874 freight and passenger south west corner
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/6989
1873 freight and passenger SOUTH EAST CORNER
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/6701
1872
file.php Map
1873 photo
1882 directory
Page 31
1882 railroad directory page
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16079coll28/id/9721
Map, 1878-79 showing layout Of Kansas/Denver Pacific passenger and freight, Denver & Rio Grande and Colorado Central depots. In 1879 the Denver, South Park & Pacific was also interchanging with the Colorado Central thus the second bridge over cherry creek (Wewatta St), the D&RG being the first being rebuilt after the flood of 1878 (Wynkoop St).
Interesting subject. I think the D&RGRy had 4 different Denver stations before the completion of Denver Union Depot in 1881. I need to review some research material which I have in storage, perhaps I can post next week in detail. A big game changer was the washout and destruction of the bridge over Cherry Creek in 1878. Bo a Google search on D&RG annual reports 1871-1883 there are some building reports and valuation.
The second D&RG station is left of the telegraph pole, beyond the Kansas Pacific passenger train, 1873.
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