Overland Sn3 C&S Brass Available

[Jim Courtney]

Keith Hayes and I joke that we both struggle with a brass locomotive addiction.

Feeling the desperate need for another C&S brass locomotive fix, I asked Keith if he could fix me up with one of his local dealers in Denver. Keith directed me to Jack Vansworth.

Jack owns Division Point and imports beautiful HO scale brass locomotives. https://www.divisionpoint.com/site/  He also has an Sn3 C&S collection that he is selling off.

I was able to score two Sn3 Brass locomotives to come close to completing the C&S locomotive roster that I envision. After my purchases, Jack has these remaining Overland Sn3 C&S brass models left to sell:

C&S Cooke 2-6-0 number 6, 1930s version, factory painted.

C&S Brooks 2-6-0 number 22, 1920s version, factory painted.

C&S Baldwin 2-8-0 number 70, 1930s version, oil tender, unpainted.

C&S cabooses: #1003, #1005, and # 1009.

Contact Jack directly at [e-mail] for prices and photos of available models.

[Keith Hayes]

Robin Peel refers to our collections as our "PBL 401ks."

Jack was kind enough to sell me "C&S 8.


He also had a model of RGS 25 imported by PBL that I have been on the lookout for for some time. If you have not seen RGS 20 as restored, she is a beautiful locomotive. Rumors have it that 20 will be part of the Victorian Locomotive Roundup this summer on the C&TS, so buy a ticket to support this event and see 20 stretch her legs.

Who can pass up a B-3-C? Southwest Hobbies had a model of #6 listed for many years. This was one of the painted and weathered models and the price was right, so I bought that too.


Another of these models is on eBay, and Southwest has a couple other Sn3 C&S models too, if someone is interested.

Now the three models need to go to the shop and get converted to DCC.

[Jim Courtney]

I suspect Keith's first photo above was for Chris Walker's benefit in New Zealand.

[Mark Vendl]

Jim

Thank you very much for the heads up on the Sn3 brass models that were available. I was able to pick up one of the locomotives and a caboose.

Cheers
Mark

[Jim Courtney]

Good for you!!

We need more C&S modelers in Sn3.

[South Park]

  Narrow gauge stuff was always smaller in real life than standard gauge,
resulting in models of each following suit.  It has been 40 years since I did
model railroading, and S scale (if it was around at all) was not even on my
radar.  Please excuse this very "beginner" question, but as I recall, On3
rolling stock scaled out to look very much like HO.  Is S scale larger or
smaller than HO scale, and by how much ?  

[Todd Hackett]

South Park wrote

...Is S scale larger or
smaller than HO scale, and by how much ?

It's about half way between HO and O.
HO: 1:87.08
S: 1:64
O: 1:48

[Doug Tagsold]

S scale narrow gauge rolling stock is quite similar is size to HO standard gauge rolling stock.
An S scale 30ft boxcar is within an eight of an inch of the same length as an HO standard gauge 40ft. boxcar.

Doug Tagsold

[South Park]

  Sorry to derail this topic a bit, but if I mught ask one more
question ....

  Looking at a friend's On3 layout years ago, I thought the
On3 cars looked very similar in size to simular type standard
guage HO cars.  The above intel tells me I am remembering
this incorrectly.  Am I tracking ?

  It seems to me, HOn3 would size close to standard guage N
scale, which is absurdly small to work with to me.  Should I
ever decide to model again (you guys are inspiring), I would
want to find a balance of larger size vs. the space needed to
build a layout.  I am unsure if I have ever seen S/Sn3 scale.

  Thanks for your feedback.

[Jim Courtney]

Hey S.P.,

These letter labels for narrow gauge model building had their origin in the toy electric trains produced immediately before and after WW2. Lionel offered their trains (still do) in roughly 1/4"=1 foot or 1:48 scale, which for reasons that elude me, became known as O scale. Their major competitor was American Flyer (there was an AF train set under the tree for my 5th Christmas), which was roughly scaled as 3/16"=1 foot or 1:64 scale. Serious model builders in these two scales often banded together as a club to have a layout to run their models.

With the postwar housing boom, guys actually had space to build a permanent home train layout, and HO scale ("half-O scale") became popular. The brass locomotive market, mostly in HO scale, was a product of the American occupation of post-war Japan. Servicemen approached small Japanese companies, destroyed by the WW2 bombing, to fabricate working models of locomotives out of brass. This led a few individuals to begin importing brass models for the American market, and companies such as PFM, Westside and Balboa were born.

I agree, modeling narrow gauge in HO scale is too small, but is ideal for younger folks with good eyesight and limited space.

If you are serious about getting back into narrow gauge model building, I'd suggest that you invest in both On3 and Sn3 kits for the same C&S boxcar, say the 1908 "Type 2" boxcar. Build them both and see which you like best.

San Juan models offers the On3 kit: http://sanjuancarco.com/on3-c-s-rgs-30-truss-rod-box-car-kit/

Paul Vaughn at Precision Vintage Classics offers the Sn3 kit: https://pvc-sn3.com/rapidcart/, choose kit SK-02-B for the type 2 boxcar.

Model T kits are available in all three scales!!

[SteveG]

With regard to HOn3 rolling stock being 'close to' the size of standard gauge N equipment, I guess it really comes down to how you define 'close to'.  
Here's a visual for clarity; HOn3 versus N:



A rough calculation of car body volume puts the HOn3 car body at nearly 3 times the volume of the N standard gauge equivalent.

And for the true masochists, there's always Nn3:



Steve Guty
Lakeway, TX

[Keith Hayes]

Espee, please also see here: http://c-sng-discussion-forum.41377.n7.nabble.com/The-Perfect-Scale-td2381.html#a2388
The image shows a C&S way car in three scales, On3, Sn3 and HOn3. Unfortunately I don't have a standard gauge piece of equipment for comparison.

Oh and here is a pic of 6 taking water at the City Plug.

Enjoy.