MTL C&S boxcar-red reefer prototypical?

[Jeff Young]

Simple question (for once):

Is the MicroTrains boxcar-red reefer prototypical in its paint scheme?  (Or were they all red/yellow in the 20's/30's?)

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Keith Hayes]

Jeff, I recall Derrell did an extensive serial on this very subject.  I recall it is on the main page.  Look for it in the index.

[Jeff Young]

Thanks, Keith.  I found some interesting bits here: 

http://coloradosouthern.blogspot.ie/2014/01/c-refrigerator-cars-part-two.html

and here:

http://coloradosouthern.blogspot.ie/2014/02/c-refrigerator-cars-part-three.html

and here:

http://coloradosouthern.blogspot.ie/2014/02/1927-reefers-not-what-you-expected.html.

Sadly, turns out to not be a simple question at all. :(

Cheers,

Jeff.

On 28 Jun 2015, at 04:16, Keith Hayes [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jeff, I recall Derrell did an extensive serial on this very subject.  I recall it is on the main page.  Look for it in the index.

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[Keith Hayes]

But you got your answer,  no? And straight from the horses mouth,  I will add.

[Jim Courtney]

Jeff,

Yes, it isn't clear.

The notion that C&S reefers where painted boxcar red in the 19teens and 1920s comes from a single 1929 B&W photo at Alma; a reefer in a sting of other freight cars has a similar B&W tonal quality as the known freight car red cars, though the reporting marks appear black.

Derrels discussion, using his models, basically notes that a yellow reefer, photographed in B&W, depending on the light and background, may appear similar to known boxcar red freight cars.  I was convinced, my reefers will all be yellow.

I don't think you could be falted for choosing the opposite interpretation.

Jim

[Jeff Young]

I also found Derrell’s argument reasonably convincing.

Then again, I happen to have a red car, and since there’s no conclusive evidence I think I’ll keep it for now.  (There are other “issues”, such as running Chili Line cars over Marshall Pass, that are more pressing.)

Cheers,

Jeff.

On 28 Jun 2015, at 16:39, Jim Courtney [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jeff,

Yes, it isn't clear.

The notion that C&S reefers where painted boxcar red in the 19teens and 1920s comes from a single 1929 B&W photo at Alma; a reefer in a sting of other freight cars has a similar B&W tonal quality as the known freight car red cars, though the reporting marks appear black.

Derrels discussion, using his models, basically notes that a yellow reefer, photographed in B&W, depending on the light and background, may appear similar to known boxcar red freight cars.  I was convinced, my reefers will all be yellow.

I don't think you could be falted for choosing the opposite interpretation.

Jim

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[Jim Courtney]

What's a tiny bay window on a coach in the greater scheme of things?

[Jeff Young]

He he… well there’s also the Flying Grande logo on some of the other rolling stock — which means the Shavano is running over Marshall pass and the passenger cars should be vestibuled, with a generator on the baggage car.

Can’t quite decide whether to swap out the Flying Grande stuff, swap the Chili Line cars for Shavano cars, or simply retort “it’s my railroad”. ;)

Cheers,

Jeff.

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What's a tiny bay window on a coach in the greater scheme of things?

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[Jeff Young]

Oh, and a great big thank-you to Derrell for writing up the various blog postings.  Very informative (even if they didn’t provide the easy yes/no I was looking for).

Cheers,
Jeff.