Kokomo

[Jeff Young]

I'm trying to model Kokomo ca 1936, but I'm having trouble finding much C&S info.  The Denver Library has a couple of pictures of the D&RGW depot, but nothing of the C&S depot.

Also, anyone know if they would have still had stub switches in Kokomo in 1936, or if they would have all been upgraded?  (I knew there were some stub switches in the Como yard until the bitter end, but I've recently discovered that the Jefferson siding was still a stub switch in 1937, so I'm now wondering about Kokomo....)

Any thoughts appreciated,
Jeff.

[Robert McFarland]

DSP&P Historical Society's "Bogies and the Loop" has had some articles about Kokomo including photos of the depot.They have a CD available of back issues for around $30-the price may have gone up.                 DSP&P Historical Society
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[Jeff Young]

Thanks, Robert.  (I see they even have the Kokomo depot on the cover of the issue, which is shown at www.dspphs.org/magazine.html.  I'll have to order a copy.)

Cheers,
Jeff.

[Derrell Poole]

I'm not saying there weren't any point switches on the South Park but they would have been the exception - right to the end. Nothing says South Park trackage like stub switches - including several 3-way types. My default is stub. No one will question that choice.

Besides, I believe the standards only provide stubs - but I could be wrong because I haven't time to verify.

[Jeff Young]

Very interesting.

I have one #6 to a freight spur and and one #6 wye -- I'll plan on making those both stub switches.

I also have a #6 at one end of the Jefferson siding which I was planning on making a stub (as I'd previously found a picture of it).

After that I have two #8s which are curved (one at the other end of the Jefferson siding, and one leaving Kokomo).  I feel a little nervous about putting a stub switch on a curve (operationally), so I might leave those points.

Then again, I don't have much experience with stub switches at all.  Do they work fine on a curve?  (HOn3, code 55 rail, if it matters.)

Cheers,
Jeff.

[Chris Walker]

Jeff,
stubs are fine on curves or straights, I've forgotton how many I've built now over the years, must be now reaching a total of 45 to 50 in H0n3, 0n3, 7/8" and 18" full size.  Rails were code 40, 55, 70, 125 and 12lb.   Never had any problems except expansion on the sliderails pinching up on the headblock.  Had that happen inside in H0n3 and outside in 7/8" and just last week on the 18".   Stubs are so much easier to build than blades, I've only ever made 4 bladed and they're on the 10.25" park railway; hate 'em!

Back to our regular programming (C&S theme) sorry it's not Kokomo.

Argyle 1929.




 note:Spiked, drifted and jointed for the Main i.e. out-of-service.



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[Derrell Poole]

Yes! The degree of curve (in modeling parley) is something like 70" radius. You won't notice that in the stub rails especially in code 55. No. 8s are very forgiving compared to 6s.

[Doug Heitkamp]

Kokomo back in the day...

[Jeff Young]

Great picture!

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Rick Steele]

Yes Doug,

I think that the article that Chris Lane wrote on Kokomo in one of the Annuals would answer Jeff's questions, wouldn't it?

Rick

[Doug Heitkamp]

I believe that the article Chris wrote on Kokomo was publish in the "Colorado Narrow Gauge Quarterly".

See link HERE

I'm not sure that there was any info on the track alignment though.

A better source of info would probably be the C&S 1918 Valuation field notes. Are copies of this available through the CO. RR Museum or DPL?

Doug

[Jeff Young]

Hi Doug,

Yes, the CRRM has the ICC map set (#38).  I have one on order, but I haven’t seen it yet.

I couldn’t quite tell if the Colorado Narrow Gauge Quarterly site was still up and running, but heck, it was only $6.50 so I took a punt on it and ordered a copy of 1st Quarter 2008 (which I believe is the issue in question).

Cheers,

Jeff.

Do you mean the ICC 1915-1919 map set?

On 11 Mar 2015, at 03:30, Doug Heitkamp [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

I believe that the article Chris wrote on Kokomo was publish in the "Colorado Narrow Gauge Quarterly".

See link HERE

A better source of info would probably be the C&S 1918 Valuation field notes. Are copies of this available through the CO. RR Museum or DPL?

Doug

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[Rick Steele]

The most informative is the actual field notes, but you have to go to College Park, Maryland to get those.

I believe that the copies that I made for Richard Boulware were sold to Todd Hackett.

Rick

[Todd Hackett]

Rick Steele wrote

I believe that the copies that I made for Richard Boulware were sold to Todd Hackett.

No, they weren't. The only ICC field notes I have are photocopies you made for me of the notes for the DB&W.

[Jeff Young]

Interesting.  So the ICC field notes are different from the maps.  I’ll have to wait for the maps and other stuff to arrive and see if I have enough to go on.

Failing that, my niece is a PhD history candidate; I wonder what it would take to get her to scout out College Park for me….

Cheers,
Jeff

[Jim Courtney]

Jeff,

These two photos in my computer files show the Kokomo depot, after it was moved from its original "downtown" location (in Doug's posted photo) up to the C&S mainline, to its final location just down grade from the snow shed covered cut and the trestle over the D&RG grade.  Both date from after abandonment, c1940.

I'm sorry but I cannot reference the source of the photos, both attributed either to Richard B Jackson or Jackson Thode (don't know which Jackson!), added to my files years ago



Note the grade of the spur leading downtown in the foreground, the position of the handcar shed and outfit car body.



The second photo is from behind the depot, up the hillside above the grade and shows a second outfit car body and outhouse, as well as a view of "downtown" Kokomo in the distance.  

I believe I have a copy of the Kokomo article that has been discussed.  I will look for it and possibly send you a copy.

[Jim Courtney]

For the turn-o'-the-century modeler, two photos of the competition's depot in Kokomo, long gone by the 1930s.  Again, I cannot reference the photos.

[Jeff Young]

Thanks for those pictures, Jim.

The two of the D&RGW depot are in the Denver Library digital archive; the two DSP&P ones are new to me.

Do you know the approximate date the DSP&P depot was moved up the hill?

Thanks again,
Jeff.

[Todd Hackett]

This is a part of a map that I put together for the DSP&P Historical Society for use in a presentation and the Bogies & the Loop articles. The versions in the two issues of B&L with Kokomo articles include tags showing where all the photos in the articles were taken from. The map was based on scans of the ICC maps overlaid with modern and historical aerial photos and USGS topo maps (including one old enough to show the switchback), as well as what we found during our two excursions to the site.

[Chris Walker]

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