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Todd A Ferguson

Forks Creek water tank

I am curious after looking at the C&S standard water tank drawings posted in the Files as to the size of the Forks Creek tank and whether it was a 30,000 gallon design? Was it the same design as the Baker Tank on the old South Park? Or were the tanks on the former Colorado Central of a different size and design than those on the former South Park?

Thanks,
Todd Ferguson
Harrisburg, NC

Bill Uffelman

Re: Forks Creek water tank

The tanks along Clear Creek were extensively covered by Harry Brunk in the Gazette and those articles are reprinted in the two volumes that are available.

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Todd A Ferguson

Re: Forks Creek water tank

Bill,

Thanks for the response. I am aware that Harry covered many of the tanks on Clear Creek line and have the first compilation book and most of the Gazettes with his fantastic articles. Just not all easily accessible to me at the moment. I guess it might be handy to have the DVD...

Perhaps I should add to the question I asked. I know drawings of the Forks Creek tank were done in IIRC FineScale Railroader. I know Banta made a model of the Baker Tank. I guess the question is whether starting from the Banta kit is worthwhile or if it is just a scratchbuilding project? The goal would be an accurate Forks Creek tank.

Best,
Todd Ferguson
Harrisburg, NC

Bill Uffelman

Re: Forks Creek water tank

All of my Gazettes and RR books are still in a POD. I did buy the new disc but have not loaded it. In the POD I have an O scale Baker Tank body given to me as an excess kit item from late 1980s or there abouts but obviously have no access to it either.

Maybe someone can post Banta drawings or dimensions for comparison to Forks Creek.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Bill Uffelman

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usairman737

Re: Forks Creek water tank

The Banta kit of the Baker tank, at least in Sn3, has no taper to the tank body. Most tanks I've seen or drawings I've viewed show at least some taper to the tank body as a structural feature. If this is an issue to you, than scratch building might be a better route to follow.

Gerry

Mike Keplinger

Re: Forks Creek water tank

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The Colo. & Southern Railroad Forks Creek Water Tank by Doug Heitkamp. April/May 1997 Finescale Railroader Magazine. Forks Creek was not of standard dimensions being both taller, and I believe of smaller diameter. Further, it was a tapered tank where the Baker Tank was straight sided. Let me know if you can't these drawings elsewhere.
Mike Keplinger

Todd A Ferguson

Re: Forks Creek water tank

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Bill,

I know the feeling...just have too much stuff and not enough organization I guess. I have an S scale Baker Tank from Banta and the Forks Creek tank drawings somewhere in my files... I thought someone more wise than I might know the answer...

Best,

Todd Ferguson

Harrisburg, NC

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On Aug 30, 2015, at 11:40 AM, "Bill Uffelman [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

All of my Gazettes and RR books are still in a POD. I did buy the new disc but have not loaded it. In the POD I have an O scale Baker Tank body given to me as an excess kit item from late 1980s or there abouts but obviously have no access to it either.

Maybe someone can post Banta drawings or dimensions for comparison to Forks Creek.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Bill Uffelman

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From:"Todd A Ferguson [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]>
Date:Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:58 AM
Subject:Re: Forks Creek water tank

Bill,

Thanks for the response. I am aware that Harry covered many of the tanks on Clear Creek line and have the first compilation book and most of the Gazettes with his fantastic articles. Just not all easily accessible to me at the moment. I guess it might be handy to have the DVD...

Perhaps I should add to the question I asked. I know drawings of the Forks Creek tank were done in IIRC FineScale Railroader. I know Banta made a model of the Baker Tank. I guess the question is whether starting from the Banta kit is worthwhile or if it is just a scratchbuilding project? The goal would be an accurate Forks Creek tank.

Best,
Todd Ferguson
Harrisburg, NC

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Todd A Ferguson

Re: Forks Creek water tank

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Gerry,

Yes, I recall the tank being pretty straight sided in the Banta kit. I think the photo I looked up of the restored tank on the net showed it fairly straight sided. But I can't recall for sure.

I assume the tank part was not replaced as part of the restoration, but also don't know about the restoration details either. Thanks for your help Gerry.

Best,

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On Aug 30, 2015, at 3:13 PM, "usairman737 [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

The Banta kit of the Baker tank, at least in Sn3, has no taper to the tank body. Most tanks I've seen or drawings I've viewed show at least some taper to the tank body as a structural feature. If this is an issue to you, than scratch building might be a better route to follow.

Gerry

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Todd A Ferguson

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Mike,

Thanks for the info. I have the drawings here somewhere in my files. I'll have to look them up and see what the deal is exactly I guess... I don't recall if Harry Brunk had any scale drawing of his Forks tank with his article. But I kind of doubt it as IIRC it was very early in his Up Clear Creek series of articles. He might of had one of his pen and ink sketches.

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On Aug 30, 2015, at 3:22 PM, "Mike Keplinger [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

The Colo. & Southern Railroad Forks Creek Water Tank by Doug Heitkamp. April/May 1997 Finescale Railroader Magazine. Forks Creek was not of standard dimensions being both taller, and I believe of smaller diameter. Further, it was a tapered tank where the Baker Tank was straight sided. Let me know if you can't these drawings elsewhere.
Mike Keplinger

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Bill Uffelman

Re: Forks Creek water tank

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I just looked at on line shots of the Banta Baker Tank and Ted K's NG Circle photos of Forks Creek and refreshed my (old) memory.

The original Forks Creek tank had a peaked/conical roof while Baker Tank is flat roofed. I think the support framing and freeze box are different too.

Once you locate drawings and some more photos probably best to build from scratch over a proper sized core.

Bill Uffelman

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From:"Todd A Ferguson [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]>
Date:Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 4:27 PM
Subject:Re: Forks Creek water tank

Bill,

Todd Ferguson

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On Aug 30, 2015, at 11:40 AM, "Bill Uffelman [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

All of my Gazettes and RR books are still in a POD. I did buy the new disc but have not loaded it. In the POD I have an O scale Baker Tank body given to me as an excess kit item from late 1980s or there abouts but obviously have no access to it either.

Maybe someone can post Banta drawings or dimensions for comparison to Forks Creek.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Bill Uffelman

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From:"Todd A Ferguson [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]>
Date:Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:58 AM
Subject:Re: Forks Creek water tank

Bill,

Thanks for the response. I am aware that Harry covered many of the tanks on Clear Creek line and have the first compilation book and most of the Gazettes with his fantastic articles. Just not all easily accessible to me at the moment. I guess it might be handy to have the DVD...

Perhaps I should add to the question I asked. I know drawings of the Forks Creek tank were done in IIRC FineScale Railroader. I know Banta made a model of the Baker Tank. I guess the question is whether starting from the Banta kit is worthwhile or if it is just a scratchbuilding project? The goal would be an accurate Forks Creek tank.

Best,
Todd Ferguson
Harrisburg, NC

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Todd A Ferguson

Re: Forks Creek water tank

Bill,

I do recall Doug's drawing showing a flat planked roof. I believe I even drew the flat roof and cut a couple samples on my laser machine. Don't know if I drew any more of it or not...but I don't think I did... May have been about the time I decided I needed to sell my 2-8-0 number 60 model. I still have the Design Tech Forks Creek pump house and a model of the station from Classic Miniatures IIRC.

Best,

Todd Ferguson

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On Aug 30, 2015, at 4:14 PM, "Bill Uffelman [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

I just looked at on line shots of the Banta Baker Tank and Ted K's NG Circle photos of Forks Creek and refreshed my (old) memory.

The original Forks Creek tank had a peaked/conical roof while Baker Tank is flat roofed. I think the support framing and freeze box are different too.

Once you locate drawings and some more photos probably best to build from scratch over a proper sized core.

Bill Uffelman

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From:"Todd A Ferguson [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]>
Date:Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 4:27 PM
Subject:Re: Forks Creek water tank

Bill,

I know the feeling...just have too much stuff and not enough organization I guess. I have an S scale Baker Tank from Banta and the Forks Creek tank drawings somewhere in my files... I thought someone more wise than I might know the answer...

Best,

Todd Ferguson
Harrisburg, NC

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On Aug 30, 2015, at 11:40 AM, "Bill Uffelman [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

All of my Gazettes and RR books are still in a POD. I did buy the new disc but have not loaded it. In the POD I have an O scale Baker Tank body given to me as an excess kit item from late 1980s or there abouts but obviously have no access to it either.

Maybe someone can post Banta drawings or dimensions for comparison to Forks Creek.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Bill Uffelman

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From:"Todd A Ferguson [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]>
Date:Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:58 AM
Subject:Re: Forks Creek water tank

Bill,

Thanks for the response. I am aware that Harry covered many of the tanks on Clear Creek line and have the first compilation book and most of the Gazettes with his fantastic articles. Just not all easily accessible to me at the moment. I guess it might be handy to have the DVD...

Perhaps I should add to the question I asked. I know drawings of the Forks Creek tank were done in IIRC FineScale Railroader. I know Banta made a model of the Baker Tank. I guess the question is whether starting from the Banta kit is worthwhile or if it is just a scratchbuilding project? The goal would be an accurate Forks Creek tank.

Best,
Todd Ferguson
Harrisburg, NC

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Doug Heitkamp

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Be aware that there is an error in that drawing - the tank diameter. According to the 1918 Valuation, The Forks Creek tank body was 20' in diameter and 16' high. When I made that drawing, I was scaling from pictures and the tank body as drawn is 17' in diameter. The height is correct. Obviously the length of the top timber of the bents would need to be increased, but the other details should be correct based on dimension in the 1918 Valuation.

Doug Heitkamp
Centennial, CO

Bill Uffelman

Re: Forks Creek water tank

Thanks Doug.

Bill Uffelman Ocean View DE

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Todd A Ferguson

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Doug,

Thanks for the drawing and the clarification. Lots of great information there. If it is a scratchbuilding project then it is worth doing with the best possible data.

Best,

Todd Ferguson

Harrisburg, NC

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On Aug 30, 2015, at 4:26 PM, "Doug Heitkamp [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Be aware that there is an error in that drawing - the tank diameter. According to the 1918 Valuation, The Forks Creek tank body was 20' in diameter and 16' high. When I made that drawing, I was scaling from pictures and the tank body as drawn is 17' in diameter. The height is correct. Obviously the length of the top timber of the bents would need to be increased, but the other details should be correct based on dimension in the 1918 Valuation.

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Bill Uffelman

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I built an On3 Alpine Tunnel layout in High Bridge NJ with assistance of Bill Schaumburg, Bob and Dennis Love and Bob Robbins in 1984-86 then moved to Naperville IL where I framed an On3 Forks Creek layout in my basement in 1986/87,started track work then moved to Springfield IL. By the time I finished the walkout basement and RR room there in 1989 we moved back to Naperville then to Minnesota then back to Naperville. 5 moves in 10 years and the last fixed On3 layout in a basement that I had.

Built On3/P:48 SG modules with Bob Campbell then moved to Reston VA in 1999 and Las Vegas NV in 2004. Now 30+ years after building Alpine Tunnel layout planning a new 9 x 20 RR room in 1/2 of my retirement home garage. With hip replacement out of the way plan to get things underway next month!

I have a lot of DSP&P and C&S kits to build (and rebuild thanks to movers) but that is what retirement is for I think.

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Subject:Re: Forks Creek water tank

Bill,

Todd Ferguson

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On Aug 30, 2015, at 4:14 PM, "Bill Uffelman [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

I just looked at on line shots of the Banta Baker Tank and Ted K's NG Circle photos of Forks Creek and refreshed my (old) memory.

The original Forks Creek tank had a peaked/conical roof while Baker Tank is flat roofed. I think the support framing and freeze box are different too.

Once you locate drawings and some more photos probably best to build from scratch over a proper sized core.

Bill Uffelman

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From:"Todd A Ferguson [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]>
Date:Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 4:27 PM
Subject:Re: Forks Creek water tank

Bill,

I know the feeling...just have too much stuff and not enough organization I guess. I have an S scale Baker Tank from Banta and the Forks Creek tank drawings somewhere in my files... I thought someone more wise than I might know the answer...

Best,

Todd Ferguson
Harrisburg, NC

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On Aug 30, 2015, at 11:40 AM, "Bill Uffelman [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

All of my Gazettes and RR books are still in a POD. I did buy the new disc but have not loaded it. In the POD I have an O scale Baker Tank body given to me as an excess kit item from late 1980s or there abouts but obviously have no access to it either.

Maybe someone can post Banta drawings or dimensions for comparison to Forks Creek.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Bill Uffelman

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From:"Todd A Ferguson [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]>
Date:Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:58 AM
Subject:Re: Forks Creek water tank

Bill,

Thanks for the response. I am aware that Harry covered many of the tanks on Clear Creek line and have the first compilation book and most of the Gazettes with his fantastic articles. Just not all easily accessible to me at the moment. I guess it might be handy to have the DVD...

Perhaps I should add to the question I asked. I know drawings of the Forks Creek tank were done in IIRC FineScale Railroader. I know Banta made a model of the Baker Tank. I guess the question is whether starting from the Banta kit is worthwhile or if it is just a scratchbuilding project? The goal would be an accurate Forks Creek tank.

Best,
Todd Ferguson
Harrisburg, NC

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Doug Heitkamp

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Ok, I just did a bit of scaling with the picture below. If you use the height of 16', the diameter of the tank does scale out to 20'. Just had to check. The full size picture scales out to 3/8" to the foot.

Doug Heitkamp
Centennial, CO

Todd A Ferguson

Re: Forks Creek water tank

Doug,

Thanks for taking the time and effort to verify. Curious was the tank painted a light color at the time of the photo or just unpainted and lightly weathered wood?

Yet it has lost the conical roof at this point also.

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Ok, I just did a bit of scaling with the picture below. If you use the height of 17', the diameter of the tank does scale out to 20'. Just had to check.

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Darel Leedy

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The tank which I am using as a temporary stand-in on my layout, is a model of the Forks Creek tank. I used the tank wrapper from an old V&T Shops kit and scratched the rest using Harry's plans. I will try to take some better pictures of it later to share.
http://coloradosouthern.blogspot.com/2012/03/ties-and-mock-ups.html

Todd A Ferguson

Re: Forks Creek water tank

Darel,

Thanks for sharing. That is a very nice model.

I guess that also answers my question about the tank color.

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The tank which I am using as a temporary stand-in on my layout, is a model of the Forks Creek tank. I used the tank wrapper from an old V&T Shops kit and scratched the rest using Harry's plans. I will try to take some better pictures of it later to share.
http://coloradosouthern.blogspot.com/2012/03/ties-and-mock-ups.html

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Rick Steele

Re: Forks Creek water tank

From Colo. 13A dated 10-11-18

Forks Creek

18 W. Tank 16'ht. x 20' d (p) on tower (p)
#1 cks 18-1 1'2 posts 11-4 ht.
flat roof, brcg of 4-3 x 10 x 18', 4 3 x 10 x 12', 8 3 x 10 x 22' all bolted
frost box 6 x 6 x 14' (p) out.
12 conc. piers 18 x 18" top, 4 sides
1'4 batt. top to GL=6" avg, to bott. = 4'
L. R. exc.
box. pit 4' deep, 6" conc. curb.
1 riser 22' of 2" w.i. pipe, lU, lgv.
1 riser 10' of 1" W.I . Pipe, 1gv
1 16' ga. bd.
1-8" FM Tnk soupt, ctr. wts.
1 32' wood ladder (p).

Just a quick note:

The C&S was notorious for removing the conical roofs from the water tanks. According to Gilbert Lathrop, the D&RGW crews on the Pitkin Branch hated the C&S flat roof tanks because the valves froze so easily.

What else do you want to know about Forks?

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