Early C&S Water Tank Paint Schemes

[Chris Walker]

I wonder too.  I also would like to know what the date of the photo is.
Fred,

are you meaning any more specific than the 1909 Glidden Tour?  Looks like July-August given the lack of snow in the Waldorf and Mt McClellan pictures.  You could search Colorado Newspapers for the actual dates they were in Colorado since the party ascended Pikes Peak by Auto as well.  Additional images in this collection show the entourage stuck in mud out in Kansas, dated July.

[Fred52]

Chris: Thanks for your response. Are those two pictures of the Argentine Central?
Fred Cotterell

On Feb 18, 2018 9:59 PM, "Chris Walker [via C&Sng Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

I wonder too.  I also would like to know what the date of the photo is.
Fred,

are you meaning any more specific than the 1909 Glidden Tour?  Looks like July-August given the lack of snow in the Waldorf and Mt McClellan pictures.  You could search Colorado Newspapers for the actual dates they were in Colorado since the party ascended Pikes Peak by Auto as well.  Additional images in this collection show the entourage stuck in mud out in Kansas, dated July.

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A155051/datastream/IMAGE/view


https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A154943/datastream/IMAGE/view

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[Chris Walker]

Yes  Fred, and they are now in the correct thread where they belong.  You were pretty quick off the mark to catch that error of mine with your quote.


P.S.  The DetroitPL have the date as 1909-07 on most of those pictures.

[Fred52]

Chris:
I guess reading posts on here pays off. Lol. I kinda figured that they weren't of the the C&S. Those Shay locos. . Lol.
Fred Cotterell.

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Yes  Fred, and they are now in the correct thread where they belong.  You were pretty quick off the mark to catch that error of mine with your quote.

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[Rick Steele]

But Remember, Fred, they had to get those shays to Silver Plume somehow. I doubt that it was on a 3' gauge flat car.

I pity the crew that got called to either haul them up to the Plume or run them down to Denver for disposition. It puts the concept of "Hours of Service" in a whole new light. I am going for a crew change at Golden after 16 hours on duty from Silver Plume, and then another crew into Denver.

Rick

[Robert McFarland]

C&NW 25,a Shay,was tested on the C&S.There's a picture of it at Breckenridge.

[South Park]

" ... But Remember, Fred, they had to get those shays to Silver
Plume somehow. I doubt that it was on a 3' gauge flat car.  ..."

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  What other options were there besides hot air balloons (like they
used to move the Como depot up from Denver ) ........... or
disassembling them and hauling them out in parts ?

[Fred52]

Lol...love the irony...I think they might have hired the eminent CW militey balloonist Dr. Lowe to assist with the move of the Como depot.
Fred Cotterll

On Feb 20, 2018 1:27 AM, "South Park [via C&Sng Discussion Forum]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

" ... But Remember, Fred, they had to get those shays to Silver
Plume somehow. I doubt that it was on a 3' gauge flat car.  ..."

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  What other options were there besides hot air balloons (like they
used to move the Como depot up from Denver ) ........... or
disassembling them and hauling them out in parts ?

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[Robert McFarland]

Google Ivy Baldwin-Pioneer balloonist,high wire walker over Eldorado Canyon.First man to fly a powered aircraft in Colorado.First American Airman to get shot down(in the Spanish-American War)In later life  he did a second wire walk over the canyon.

[Ken Martin]

Rereading this thread after the latest posts Jeff made a comment on Jefferson being shown as buff/brown from an Otto Kuhler painting.
I have a Richard Jackson slide from Chione showing Jefferson depot in 1943. I cropped it and lightened the shadows and it looks more white but probably gray and green trim.

Ken Martin

[Robert McFarland]

Is that a window mounted air conditioner?

[John Greenly]

looks like maybe one of those old-fashioned screens?   You open the window, put it in at the bottom, spread the two sliding halves out to fit the width and then lower the sash down onto the top of it-- keeps out bugs.

John
Lansing, NY

[Robert McFarland]

Do you have pictures of this item?

[Jeff Young]

I think that's just unpainted glazing putty where the glass has been recently replaced.

[John Greenly]

Jeff Young wrote

I think that's just unpainted glazing putty where the glass has been recently replaced.

Yes! I bet you're right Jeff.

Cheers,
John

[Jeff Ramsey]

I believe the reason of the light band / dark bands scheme is because in 1904 the C & S Ry. reported a spike of expenditure in the shareholders report of accountment of their water service dept. and this is when a majority of the  C&S tanks acquired a flat roof. I think this light/ dark schemes are simply just brand new tubs are of which dipped white staves in finish with black asphaltum treatment on the  hoops. A waiting a standard red scheme "paint" from the B & B dept. with the exception of Forks Creek which is Buff.


Seen in the image is a panatone value of a sample recieved from the ruin of the Webster water tank substructure. Might be a standard of  "Red" for C & S or CB&Q? istructures of the 1920s era? I wonder what French gulch is?  Analysis of this paint sample provided by Andrew Brandon of the NCNGRRM and the "Como Archeological / Genealogical Team". Numerous samples of D&RG and RGS were or are to be analyzed also.

[Mike Trent]

Hi, Jeff, that looks about right, actually any color in the neighborhood would probably also be right. The railroads often went with whoever could fill an order, to low bid, to whatever they could get, etc.

Also, my understanding of the flat C&S tank roofs is that they already had flat sub roofs under the conical upper roofs, so the C&S just removed and burned the conical roofs rather than try to maintain them in the harsh high country. Economy and skinflint bean counters had a lot of say with stuff like this.

[nickgully]

Could a shay be towed if the side shaft was removed from the trucks?

Just wondering,
 Nick Gully

[Chris Walker]

Yes Nick, just like removing the Mainrods on a normal loco for towing Dead.  

[Robert McFarland]

The Shay at Breckinridge wasn't being towed-it was running.