C&S caboose with no button herald

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C&S caboose with no button herald

Kurt Maechner
I was flipping through some photos in Tom and Denise Klinger's High Line Memories book and noticed the photo below.  It has a C&S caboose with lettering that would normally have been found on a caboose with a button herald, but there is no herald.

I don't feel like I've seen this before.  Is this caboose an anomaly?  The photo is from a series of A. A. Anderson photos labeled "1930's" showing a rotary plow train stopped at Dickey tank.  Might this caboose have been assigned to work train duty and therefore been painted differently than cabooses in regular freight or passenger duty?
Kurt



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Jim Courtney
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Hey Kurt,

C&S cabooses, per Derrell Poole, began to be re-lettered in the early 1920's with reporting marks and numerals in the "modern" Roman font.  

The "button herald" began to show up about 1925 and was added to the cabooses with shoppings in the years following. Most had buttons by 1930.



Caboose 1006 at Waterton, 1922.



Denver, 9/03/1928.  Ray C Hilner photo, in Narrow Gauge Pictorical VIII
Jim Courtney
Poulsbo, WA
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Keith Hayes
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...all the cabeese in Leadville have buttons.

These cars really confounded the lettering crews. Seems like the 'standard' or at least the intent was to center the car number and the button herald across the car width. They succeeded on a couple cars. A few others have the herald and number slightly off center, as it looked better to the eye of the painter (see 1008 above). Others, they felt the button should be centered between the window with the number centered on the car (1009, as I recall).

As always, check the photos if you want to be accurate. Otherwise, follow Rule #1 and do what pleases you.
Keith Hayes
Leadville in Sn3
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Kurt Maechner
Assuming that Anderson's date is correct, the 1930's would be pretty late (at least 5 years after 1925) for a caboose to still be without a button herald.  Maybe it was never updated due to its use as a work car?  Unfortunately, the number is cut off in the photo so I can't check it.
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Jim Courtney
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I added dates to the upper two photos, had to look them up. The process of adding buttons likely occurred gradually, when a caboose was shopped. The earliest photo of caboose 1000 with button, that I've seen, is 1931 and looks freshly painted.

The square side window on the Anderson photo caboose at Dickey means it had to be either 1005 or 1008. If 1008 had a button on 1928, and Anderson's date is correct, it is likely 1005.
Jim Courtney
Poulsbo, WA
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Chris Walker
The image printed in High Line Memories & Some, above the referred to photo and taken from the opposite side shows 1005.
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Todd Hackett
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Here is a better scan of the 1005 in that photo, as well as a later photo of it (on a scrapping train) with the button herald. Both from the Andy Anderson Collection, now in possession of the DSP&P Historical Society. You may be able to buy prints of these - see this page for ordering information. The images should be cataloged as "AA481_Dickey_912" and "AA267_scrapping_train_1005."



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Jeff Young
I hadn't seen that Waterton photo before.  What a great picture!

Todd, is there a catalog of photos in the DSP&PHS's collection anywhere?  I'd love to see what else they have....

Cheers,
Jeff.
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Todd Hackett
Jeff Young wrote
...is there a catalog of photos in the DSP&PHS's collection anywhere?
I don't think anyone had had time to do that yet.  I have copies of the Anderson collection only because I volunteered to scan all of it. The website has some of the better photos that are available, but many photos that get credited to the society in publications are actually from the private collections of members.
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Jim Courtney
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Here is the un-cropped photo, Jeff.


Jim Courtney
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Mike Trent
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I'm guessing bedrolls on the cupola roof. Interesting detail for a snow train.
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Kurt Maechner
Mike, you're right.  They are bedrolls.  The caption of the photo states that this is a train of rotary plow snowbirds so I'm assuming to it would be a long trek to make it all the way over Boreas and to Leadville.  Though, can you imagine crawling into a sleeping bag that was outside in the cold and blowing snow?!  Brrr.
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Mike Trent
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....all the Cabeese in Dickey have buttons:

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Keith Hayes
We buttoned up all the cabeese in Leadville, too Mike. It gets cold up here.
Keith Hayes
Leadville in Sn3
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Mike Trent
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Could be a chance of rain/snow mix Tuesday. We're ready.