C&S Baggage/RPO #10

[Robert Stears]

I have been scratch building On3 models of C&S Baggage/RPO #13 (c. 1929, 1908 and 1900) and Baggage/RPO #11 and #12 (c.1929).

Does anyone have a good photograph or reliable drawing of C&S Baggage/RPO #10 (dismantled 1929)?

I know that No.s #10, #11 and #12 were nearly identical, there were several subtle differences and I want to get it right.

Thanks,
Bob

[Todd Hackett]

Sorry. I looked through my photos, and nearly all of the C&S RPO/baggage cars look like #13. The only one in the 10-11-12 group is this photo of #12:

[Robert McFarland]

Go to the Railway Engineering website and find Hayes Hendricks' DSP&P/CC/C&S Passenger Car website.Look under the C&S Car Locator and there are several photos,data,and a chart of where to find additional photos in NG railroad books.

[Keith Hayes]

Bob, I look forward to seeing your results. These three cars have long caught my eye, with the rounded corner doors extending into the letterboard.

What with three similar cars, they were more frequently seen on trains too. 13 was truly the oddball,  and yet it is the survivor.

Photos indicate that the C&S appears not to have always turned the mail and express car at the end of the run. While one would expect the mail compartment to run adjacent to the locomotive, many images show the baggage section forward. So, if your pike lacks a wye at one or both ends, that is okay--no need to turn the mail car!

[Mike Trent]

Hi Bob. Sounds like an interesting series of cars!

I'll also be interested to see how you fare with #10-#12.

I had also been contemplating one of those as a compliment to my early #7.

While I was recently completing my #13, which was built using roofing and some other material from an old Crossing Gate kit for my train, I spent quite a bit of time looking for any evidence that #10-#12 were ever in regular service after 1931 when the C&S went toa single set train in "three times a week" mode.

If any of them were ever used after 1931, I can't find any photo evidence of it. I'm sure it must have happened occasionally, but it would have been rare. All photos I have found of the Passenger Train after 1931 have #13 as the Baggage & Mail.

It would be a rare enough event that I would even be skeptical that the date might be misrepresented in a photo caption.

[Robert McFarland]

Check Hayes Hendricks' website.#12 was used as a bunk car in the scrapping train.

[Robert McFarland]

Hendricks'photo chart for these cars include photos at Climax in1930 ,Denver in 1934,Breckinridge,Como,and Jefferson in 1935,and Denver in 1936.The 1936 referrence is from a book by Derrell Poole.

[Robert McFarland]

DPL photo C-109 shows one of these cars in its Colorado Central days in a DSP&P passenger train entering Alpine Tunnel.

[Ken Martin]

I believe this is #11 but a photo of a wreck at Stone Spur near Foxton in 1901 shows it with four truss rods instead of the usual two.
DPL
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/72055/rec/3

[Robert Stears]

Thanks very much Ken.

 

A great help in not only the Baggage/RPO brake rigging but a great shot of the fancy passenger car lettering.

 

Bob

 

From: Ken Martin [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum] [mailto:[hidden email]]
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I believe this is #11 but a photo of a wreck at Stone Spur near Foxton in 1901 shows it with four truss rods instead of the usual two.
DPL
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/72055/rec/3

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[Robert McFarland]

There are two pictures of C&S 12 at Hilltop Jct. on Park County Archives in the photo section under the heading LEAVICK-photos 2822 and 2823.