C&S 7111

[Keith Hayes]

Chris kindly posted this nice image:

http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/fullbrowser/collection/p15330coll22/id/42645/rv/singleitem/rec/117

(I am not so good at cutting and pasting images from DPL as Chris is)

The second car back is a SUF flat car 7111 which Derrell included in the RROBB book. It has four tanks on it. I always glossed this over as a load of concrete reinforced pipe (CRP) like you would use to route a water course under fill at a highway. In fact, it appears to be four steel tanks permanently mounted with handrails. Most interesting.

The photo in Derrel's collection is at an angle where one cannot determine if the tanks are connected with a pipe. One is painted silver (on the 'A' end) and the other are black. One clearly has a vent, but all four appear to have hatches and a monitoring pipe. Three of the tanks have four supports, while one tank has six (the silver one). This is almost as good as a West Side car!

These would be a great 3d printing project with a little small batch casting for the supports.

What can everyone share about C&S 7111? Any AFE's?

(Oh, and Chris, I think this was taken looking south at about 16th Street, just east of the Moffat Depot. That is the 15th Street Viaduct in the background [Denver Tramway used this bridge to get across the valley] with the dual truss bridges crossing Cherry Creek at the end of the train. It is easy to spot this bridge because there is C&S/ AT&SF advertising on the top chord over the tracks. You can see a car on the fill that is Speer Boulevard to the right of the truss)

[Chris Walker]

#1116 was a reefer, I don't see no reefers {:))  

Keith, the tanks on flat is #7111, appears to have fillers at either end with smaller vent pipes and bungs inboard of the fillers.  The far end tank appears to have some sort of small  hand pump or checkvalve attached to the forward end.  Note the heavy spillage staining on the tanks, somewhat lighter on the others, they appear to have been recently filled and the silver tank at both ends.  The handrail is continous with a larger gap between the two inboard tanks.
Does Derrell have a copy of his NGPict vol-8 to show here?

[Keith Hayes]

Morning Chris,  my bad. You do have the correct number.  I wonder if Mr. Leeds might be so kind as to change the title of this thread?

[Darel Leedy]

I cannot. But you can I think. Go to the first post, select edit and change it. Maybe....

[Chris Walker]

I did, one can find the "EDIT" under the "MORE" tab on the right of each post.

[Chris Walker]

Keith,
 
Pictures shown in the Mineral Belt 3 up Clear Creek and taken on 30th April '41 show a 2 Loco train at Elk siding, the #7111 tanks-on-Flat is 2 cars behind the rear-end helper, other photos show it apparently being left on the siding.  Digerness says in his caption that on pg345 they were gathering up cars but the photo's really suggest a different story.

Could this tankcar be for the roading contractors fuel supply?



EDIT:

SOLVED

See Doug Heitkamp's picture here posted in this following thread...
http://c-sn3-discussion-forum.41377.n7.nabble.com/Elk-Creek-Tank-or-Every-Now-and-Then-I-Get-Lucky-td1294.html#a1412

Darel Leedy wrote

Highway construction camp. I'm guessing those are the tailings from the new tunnel on the right. Note the tanker truck next to the section house. Just waiting for that makeshift tank car to pull alongside.
Another mystery solved on the C&Sn3 Forum. Thanks Doug"

   

[Chris Walker]

Yet another view, intriguing is the uniformed employees on the flatcar with what appears to be a ----O C O tanktruck in the background.....



16th April '41
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/fullbrowser/collection/p15330coll22/id/42650/rv/singleitem/rec/3

[Keith Hayes]

Chris, also on page 343, at Elk Creek with two cabooses. There are lots of good pics in this sequence.

I also like the IMFLAMMABLE card on the boxcar in the photo you posted.

And when is someone going to make some decals with appropriate chalk marks for us C&Sers? Honestly!

[Chris Walker]

Looking closely Keith, you'll see that's the same train, note the two cabii on the Main after the #7111 is setout on the siding, definitely Elk Cr as evidenced by the two small bridges there.   I wonder where that partially loaded hi-side got to that was behind the tankcar, must have been left at the other end of the siding?   Very handy to have that Helper cut in where it can do the switching far more easily than the road loco.

Your other post about the billboard lettering on the twin bridges, I urge you to look again, that's an moveable overhead Gantrycrane used for transfering loads, those twin Trussbridges you meant, were in fact further back and to the lefthand rear of the Gantry.  Did anyone notice the streecar overhead behind the sand dome?

Inflammable placards first appeared down here in the mid-twenties on Gasoline Can Boxes imported from the westcoast of the USA, I have always wondered when they first came into general use on the N.G. The lettering being far more "antique" in font and prose than that of today, more research on this is welcomed.

Chalking up markings on the sides of Freightcars had a lot to do with "localised" workhabits of the yardmen, see my first comment in Roper's Snapshot Saturday No.8.   I see no problem of using a very sharp, white draughtsman's pencil to do these markings, remembering that they were often multiples of redundant prior moves and your operating efforts should mirror such :)

[Derrell Poole]

Keith. Where is your scale chalk? Whassa matter you? Can't you chalk your own cars...?

[Keith Hayes]

I gots the shakes, Derrell, I gots the shakes!

I found this in a search of the web:

Not quite what I am looking for, but it tells an interesting story nonetheless.

[Tim Schreiner]

Very cool sign!!

[Chris Walker]

I'll second that.

[John Schapekahm]

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[Derrell Poole]

Well.. I may know some homeboys - oh wait! They use spray cans.

[Chris Walker]

Chris Walker wrote

Inflammable placards first appeared down here in the mid-twenties on Gasoline Can Boxes imported from the westcoast of the USA, I have always wondered when they first came into general use on the N.G. The lettering being far more "antique" in font and prose than that of today, more research on this is welcomed.

A long anticipated answer, took me forever to find this stashed away; the borer beetles were active here at one point, grrrr.

I had to stitch two different box end labels together to get a legible wording. The dimension is 6-3/4" along each side of the square. You can see there was some nominal variance in application between the different Box ends.




Don't you just love resurrected Threads....

[drgwcs]

Interesting timing on a zombie thread. Just got a copy of the Pictorial 8 this last week- been looking at one for a reasonable price for a very long time. I had leafed through a library copy of this quite a few times but forgot about this car. At first glance looking at it I hate to admit it but my first thought was this:  Flashback to my childhood..........



Anyhow- the tanks appear to be different colors?? Probably would be a good kitbashing project on the tanks for those that did not do 3D- I can not image a more simple tank car. At first I thought it was concrete pipe too and I thought I was getting cool ideas for flatcar loads. There is another in there from the Denver Water board that looks like someone set a full scale hardware gate valve on a model tank car (Well it was from the water board and that was essentially what it was. )
Jim

[Chris Walker]

drgwcs wrote

Interesting timing on a zombie thread.

Since I'm digging up old threads, might as well post this tidbit for you.

#7111 was assigned for Tank use of Hoenan Bros. contractors at Elk Creek.