Boxcar question.

[Todd Hackett]

This may be a little off topic, but the location in the photo was known to use some C&S NG equipment. I do know where this is, but let's start with a wherezit question to see who can identify it.

The question I don't know the answer to is the owner and series of the boxcar on the right. I could probably figure it out, but I'm frantically trying to get some clinics together for the NGC, and don't have a lot of time to chase this down. Th lettering looks like D&RG, but C&S equipment is more likely to be found here. There has been F&CC equipment in the area as well, so that's possible. The date would be 1909 or shortly after.

[Robert Stears]

I think the first boxcar is C&N and the second boxcar is F&CC.

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This may be a little off topic, but the location in the photo was known to use some C&S NG equipment. I do know where this is, but let's start with a wherezit question to see who can identify it.

The question I don't know the answer to is the owner and series of the boxcar on the right. I could probably figure it out, but I'm frantically trying to get some clinics together for the NGC, and don't have a lot of time to chase this down. Th lettering looks like D&RG, but C&S equipment is more likely to be found here. There has been F&CC equipment in the area as well, so that's possible. The date would be 1909 or shortly after.

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[Randy Rieck]

The Barker Dam construction camp east of Nederland, Colorado.  The spur line connected to the Colorado & Northwestern at  the Sulphide Flats wye.

[John Greenly]

This is interesting to me.  How did an F&CC boxcar come to be there in 1909?

John

[Todd Hackett]

There's a published photo of an F&CC boxcar in Sunset. This may be the same one. There was a third rail from Denver to Boulder at the time, but it would have taken some effort to get it from Florence to Denver or Boulder. IIRC, The construction company leased a refer or two from the C&S to handle victuals for their workers, so it's possible that this car was also brought there but the dam construction company.

[Chris Walker]

Todd,
 a very interesting photo

the Portland Cement co was located just East of Florence, maybe part of a consignment of bagged cement that otherwise would not need to be transhipped at Denver if loaded out in S.G. cars.  

Any idea if this would be plausible?  The third rail would still be in place, is the construction date prior to the C&S giving up on Trout Creek?

[Todd Hackett]

Chris Walker wrote

...the Portland Cement co was located just East of Florence, maybe part of a consignment of bagged cement that otherwise would not need to be transhipped at Denver if loaded out in S.G. cars.   ...Any idea if this would be plausible?  The third rail would still be in place, is the construction date prior to the C&S giving up on Trout Creek?

That's an interesting thought. There would have been a lot of cement going to the dam construction (it's a concrete dam). It was 1909. I think C&S was still running over Trout Creek (if I'm wrong, hopefully someone will chime in). Was there a third rail from Florence to BV at that time? If so, then it seems that a narrow gauge car could get from the F&CC to Nederland via the D&RG, C&S, C&N, and the dam contractor's spur.

[Chris Walker]

I had given that quite some thought before I posed the query, the Trout Pass is the only "maybe", there need not have been many F&CC carloads, whatever MTY's that were available might have included one or more Gold Belt road cars in the rake.  

There is also the possibility that shipments of equipment may have been supplied by the Florence foundries such as gate valves etc.  The Oil industry supply was big there but I'm only guessing here since Denver had a massive number of foundry companies.

The Cement shipments, a rather roundabout routing but no cross gauge transfer, would still be foremost in my mind.