51 Year Expedition of 3 C&S passenger cars - video

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51 Year Expedition of 3 C&S passenger cars - video

Kurt Maechner
Hi all, I just put together a video following C&S RPO #13, coach #17, and business car #911 from the end of the narrow gauge to the present with footage of a visit to the cars in Silver Plume.
Hope you enjoy it,
Kurt
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ComoDepot
Thanks, I have shared it.
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Steve Black
Very nice Kurt
Steve Black Springdale, AR
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Kurt Maechner
Thanks, Steve.  Thanks also, ComoDepot, for sharing it.
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Re: 51 Year Expedition of 3 C&S passenger cars - video

Mike Trent
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Kurt, I believe #911 was never owned by the C&S, it belonged to the CB&Q, and was actually a Standard Gauge car that rode on NG trucks. I've seen a picture of it, in "The Colorado Road", on SG trucks. It belonged to the Q, and they took it back to Aurora.
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Robert McFarland
According to Hayes Hendricks 911 was originally DSP&P Pay Car 051.Its original C&S number was B-2.
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Chris Walker
Robert McFarland wrote
According to Hayes Hendricks 911 was originally DSP&P Pay Car 051.Its original C&S number was B-2.
And built by the U.P. in 1872.
UpSideDownC
in New Zealand
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Re: 51 Year Expedition of 3 C&S passenger cars - video

Kurt Maechner
According to the Midcontinent site here, the car, as mentioned above, was built for the South Park and evenutally joined the C&S fleet.

From midcontinent:
When the Colorado & Southern was organized in 1899, DL&G office car #2 went on the initial roster as “Official” car #011, but by the time it was relettered 16 November 1899, it had changed to B-2. It kept that designation in the C&S 1906 general renumbering, but for some reason was designated #911 in 1911.

In terms of its gauge, it seems that it was a narrow gauge car, but was sometimes fitted with standard gauge trucks.  

From midcontinent:
Just how business car #911 was used during the ensuing years is unknown, but it was apparently used on the C&S broad gauge lines as well as the narrow. Photo #8 shows it on standard gauge trucks, apparently being used in the 1930s as a track inspection car.

In terms of its connection to the CB&Q the author says the following:
Car #911 was almost scrapped in 1938, but the cost to cut it up would have been $30, while the cost to burn it and then cut up the remaining scrap would have been $20. The low price of scrap was all that saved it. It was stored in Denver for awhile, then sometime in the mid '40s was moved to the CB&Q shops in Aurora, Illinois, where it joined coach #76, RPO #13 and 2-6-0 #9, which had been exhibited at the New York World’s Fair in 1939.

In 1948, car #911 was repainted as the “Leadville” and ran with the Mogul and the two other cars as the Deadwood Central at the Chicago Railroad Fair (1948-1949). This equipment was returned to the CB&Q shops where it stayed until 1957, when it was moved to the Black Hills Central Railroad at Hill City, SD (owned by the CB&Q). In 1988, all were donated to the Colorado Historical Society and moved to the Georgetown Loop Railroad at Silver Plume, Colorado.
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Re: 51 Year Expedition of 3 C&S passenger cars - video

Kurt Maechner
Notice the difference in size of 911 here on standard gauge trucks behind a fully-standard gauge car.
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Re: 51 Year Expedition of 3 C&S passenger cars - video

Todd Hackett
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I see a photo of 911 on standard gauge trucks on page 340 of The Colorado Road. The caption identifies it as being at Louisville around 1918. It says "Narrow gauge business cars 911 and 912 were often equipped with standard gauge trucks for use on other parts of the system." The previous photo shows 911 on narrow gauge trucks states that it was "...converted from a narrow gauge coach by the South Park in the early 1880s." I didn't see any mention of Q ownership or use beyond the C&S.
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Re: 51 Year Expedition of 3 C&S passenger cars - video

Mike Trent
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Brain fog. Thanks Chris, Todd and Kurt.
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Re: 51 Year Expedition of 3 C&S passenger cars - video

Robert McFarland
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Hendricks' site says "Pay Car #051 was begun at South Park's Denver Shops in May 1880"and "Pay Car #051 rolled out of the shops in July 1880".#051 became #911.
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Re: 51 Year Expedition of 3 C&S passenger cars - video

Chris Walker
Robert McFarland wrote
Hendricks' site says "Pay Car #051 was begun at South Park's Denver Shops in May 1880"and "Pay Car #051 rolled out of the shops in July 1880".#051 became #911.
Robert,

My info came from Mallory Hope Ferrell's C&Sng and echos same data in the previously published Pict. Supt to DSP&P, the latter source compiled from records in the MM office C&S Shops, by John Maxwell.  Mal also lists the same as his source.
UpSideDownC
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Robert McFarland
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