Re: the caboose that never was
Posted by Jim Courtney on May 30, 2017; 8:55am
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Beautiful model John!
Ah, I just had a thought! Since this caboose never existed, I shouldn't have put the number 1006 on it. I haven't gotten around to putting the number above the doors yet anyway . . . why not give it a number that never existed either? What do you all think, how about suggestions for how this caboose should be numbered?
OK, challenge accepted.
So we're looking for a short body caboose, with passenger car quarter-round corners and symmetrically placed double pane windows, one per side, right?
According to Derrell Poole's article in the Oct/Nov 1995 issue of Outdoor Railroader, the DSP&P (and it's owner the U.P.) built a total of 23 waycars by the year 1884, numbered 60-82, renumbered 1500-1520 during the UP renumbering system of 1885.
Per Derrell's drawings in the article, the last four waycars, 79-82, were built with quarter-round corners and double pane windows. They were the first cars lettered as "Caboose". Derrell traces the numbers of the waycars 79-82 through the subsequent receivership: Number 79/1517 disappears after 1893, likely wrecked, and 82/1520 was gone even earlier, after 1890, probably from the same fate, or it may have been transferred to Utah, never to return.
Two of these cars though, numbers 80/1518 and 81/1519, survived until the new C&S was formed and were assigned numbers 313 and 314 respectively in 1899. Following this so far?
Derrell reports that both cars survived to be renumbered 1010 and 1011 in February and May of 1912. It isn't known whether 313/1010 or 314/1011 were actually rebuilt with single windows per sides and end cupola. Maybe so, maybe not.
1010 is listed by Derrell as scrapped in January, 1915, while 1011 lasted a couple of years longer, scrapped January, 1917.
So, I'd suggest picking numbers 1010 or 1011, which ever you like best, assume that the car was in fact rebuilt to the modern configuration, and survived (despite Derrell's data) to what ever era you are modeling.
And, after all those rational assumptions, so what if the brake wheel is on the cupola end. Who knows how they really looked.
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So you're using 0.008 wire for HO grab irons?
If the real things are about 3/4 inch diameter, I use 0.012 wire in S scale, where an S scale inch is 0.0156" (0.75 x 0.0156 = 0.0117). If an HO scale inch is 0.011", then 0.008 seems about right. They look great, nice and delicate. I have one of these Grandt kits in HO as well. I may have to get out my loops and try to build one.
Again, beautiful model building!
URL: http://c-sng-discussion-forum.254.s1.nabble.com/the-caboose-that-never-was-tp8369p8370.html
Beautiful model John!
Ah, I just had a thought! Since this caboose never existed, I shouldn't have put the number 1006 on it. I haven't gotten around to putting the number above the doors yet anyway . . . why not give it a number that never existed either? What do you all think, how about suggestions for how this caboose should be numbered?
OK, challenge accepted.
So we're looking for a short body caboose, with passenger car quarter-round corners and symmetrically placed double pane windows, one per side, right?
According to Derrell Poole's article in the Oct/Nov 1995 issue of Outdoor Railroader, the DSP&P (and it's owner the U.P.) built a total of 23 waycars by the year 1884, numbered 60-82, renumbered 1500-1520 during the UP renumbering system of 1885.
Per Derrell's drawings in the article, the last four waycars, 79-82, were built with quarter-round corners and double pane windows. They were the first cars lettered as "Caboose". Derrell traces the numbers of the waycars 79-82 through the subsequent receivership: Number 79/1517 disappears after 1893, likely wrecked, and 82/1520 was gone even earlier, after 1890, probably from the same fate, or it may have been transferred to Utah, never to return.
Two of these cars though, numbers 80/1518 and 81/1519, survived until the new C&S was formed and were assigned numbers 313 and 314 respectively in 1899. Following this so far?
Derrell reports that both cars survived to be renumbered 1010 and 1011 in February and May of 1912. It isn't known whether 313/1010 or 314/1011 were actually rebuilt with single windows per sides and end cupola. Maybe so, maybe not.
1010 is listed by Derrell as scrapped in January, 1915, while 1011 lasted a couple of years longer, scrapped January, 1917.
So, I'd suggest picking numbers 1010 or 1011, which ever you like best, assume that the car was in fact rebuilt to the modern configuration, and survived (despite Derrell's data) to what ever era you are modeling.
And, after all those rational assumptions, so what if the brake wheel is on the cupola end. Who knows how they really looked.
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So you're using 0.008 wire for HO grab irons?
If the real things are about 3/4 inch diameter, I use 0.012 wire in S scale, where an S scale inch is 0.0156" (0.75 x 0.0156 = 0.0117). If an HO scale inch is 0.011", then 0.008 seems about right. They look great, nice and delicate. I have one of these Grandt kits in HO as well. I may have to get out my loops and try to build one.
Again, beautiful model building!
Jim Courtney
Poulsbo, WA
Poulsbo, WA
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