Posted by
John Droste on
Nov 01, 2016; 10:33am
URL: http://c-sng-discussion-forum.254.s1.nabble.com/Desperately-Seeking-Signals-The-Saga-Of-The-Train-Order-Board-tp6678p6712.html
Chris,
I can not find fault with your images of stations without TOB`s. Well done, this is the kind of assistance that I have been asking for.
I need to look again at where the depot may have come from without the TOB, so it would seem.
On the other hand, I do believe this is a TOB in this photo
http://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/file.php?1,file=32133And a member of this group, name forgotten sorry provided this map showing the location of the D&RG station in the location of the building above that apparently seems to have a standard gauge siding. The station is located in the top line of the crosshairs. A little black rectangle.
http://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/file.php?1,file=31531Remember too for it is interesting to note that the former D&RG station buildings are no longer on the corner of 19th & Wynkoop.
Remember too that all the Jackson photos of Wynkoop Street demonstrate that the yards of the Union Station are not yet cleared of rubble. So at the time until the Union opened, they needed another station to operate from.
I will repeat extract from Kenton Forrest`s book, Denver`s Railroads, "This wooden depot, longer than it was wide, served the D&RG until the bridge over Cherry creek washed out and railroad moved in with the DSP&P."
Although the depot is located on the corner of Wynkoop and 19th streets in the map in his book. The description of the depot being longer than wide suits the location of the photo and map I have provided above.
So there remains confusion regarding this issue. True?
I do not take it as a coincidence that I would find what looks like a Station order board in the location where I was expecting to find it.
Although I accept that the railroads in question did not have TOB`s along country stations for some time. I do have to question procedures in Denver. Could it perhaps be that the TOB as I see it in Denver was not to divert trains into the spur but to stop trains on the 3 rail in Wynkoop Street?
I accept your analyses, but only to a degree.
I do intend to further dissect the Como depot, when I get time.
I was taken by your London Junction station with the bay window and I ask readers to compare that image of the bay window with the last photo of the Como depot that you presented. It also seems to have an identical bay window beyond the baggage cart.
Sorry, but I could not understand the significance of presenting the image of the Union Station and the German House!
You asked what the relevance is to the BV depot? Answer is absolutely none. There was a theory that I held in regard to the BV depot but I now understand that that has no ground. It was to do with the section of wall that contained the ticket window and the section of wall with the window that matches those in the BV depot. Both those sections of wall and one external door had an almost black undercoat of paint that I have not observed anywhere else in the depot. I have gone into these two sections in detail in my blog but did not mention the base colours. My idea was that the Colorado Central depot would have become redundant at the same time as the D&RG depot after the Union opened. My thinking still is that perhaps those two sections of walls were a part of the CC Depot. I had thought that maybe the remainder of the CC depot was sent to be joined an existing depot in BV as photos of the depot under repair in the DSP&P HS website show a room that has been joined across the roof, indicating two buildings brought together.
What we all need to be rethinking is the 1884 railroad timetables from an entirely different railroad and location, that were found inside the ticket window section of wall of the Como depot.
And I ask David again here in the interest of research and gathering understanding, what is the name of the railroad on those timetables?
I hope that you find my reply a satisfactory response to your questions.
Thanks,
John