Re: Eight wheel Caboose on C&Sng?
Posted by Derrell Poole on
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"The Colorado & Southern Ry Freight Equipment." roster issued 1 April 1903. Fifteen cabooses listed 300 - 314. The reno'g. guide, which dates up to about 1907, indicates UPD&G 63 was reno'd. to C&S 302 on 28 Nov. 1899 AND that is was changed to 087 at 7th Street Shops on 9 March 1905. Some place there is indication that it was first reno'd. 0302 and then actually 087 in 1909. But the stuff I've given is the story from the actual documents. Facts. From the "Unit Record of Property Changes - Equipment", account no. 57, page entitled "Outfit, Box, Boarding" (27 units) line 18; "087, cost $250.00, A.F.E. 7159 - dismantled 29 Feb. 1928".
Official Railway Equipment Register Nov. 1894 - UPD&G Narrow Gauge; Caboose 1725 - 1726, 2 cars. ORER 1895 UPD&G; Caboose 1725 - 1727, 3 cars. Notes from the UPD&G Annual Report Dec. 1895 page 18 Equipment List; Cabooses - 3. ORER Jan.1896 UPD&G; Caboose 1725 - 1726, 1782, 3 cars. ORER June 1898 UPD&G; Caboose 61 - 63, 3 cars.
It's tempting to ask; was 1727 a proposed number for a car still in a foreign livery or was there a completely different car involved that disappeared and 1782 was yet another "new" car? I like to believe the ORER is reasonably accurate tho perhaps a bit behind the contemporary roster at times. I'm inclined to believe there was perhaps a purchase of a used NG caboose from say the U&N - another of the 1600 series? But something happened to it. This car and the 1782 both suggest that the Gulf seems to have acquired a need for an additional conductors car. They purchased a used car from another ng road and when it came to grief they simply pressed a sg car into service to replace it. However that actually panned out, if we simply take the ORER as well as what little record documentation for face value isn't that what it says?
Anyone have a photo of a Gulf sg caboose?
Wait a minute. That may not help either. There is something else that was going on at the time and is reflected in the ORER. Recall that the UPD&G had been formed on 1 April 1890 by combining several roads into a new one. The equipment of those roads were being relettered and numbered for the new Road even as late 1894. By Nov. that year all cabooses had been reno'd. 1735 to 1781 - except one; Denver & New Orleans caboose 2106! Then in 1895 the ORER lists Gulf sg cabooses as 1735 to 1782 - but no 2106! My oh my; where did it go? At this point there were 38 sg cabooses on the UPD&G. When 1782 went over to the ng there are 39 sg cabooses numbered 1735 to 1783! So somewhere two more cars show up. But we don't care because the literal listing of our subject car is listed only in one place or the other.
So. Does anyone know of a photo of a D&NO caboose?....
.......are y'all paying attention? 'cause I'm tellin' ya; there will be a test on this the day after next month!
Input, guys. Find what's missing, if anything.