C&S Coal Gates
Posted by Mike Trent on
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Basically, all South Park/C&S Engines from Mason Bogies to the big 2-10-2 900's used wood boards to retain coal in the bunkers. The narrow gauge engines used 2x6's between the water legs of the cisterns. They were held in place by cast retainers bolted through the water legs. The upper part of the coal gate is the pallet-like object you see in pictures either in place or in the bunker or behind the bunker. These gates were made of 2x4's and held in place at the front of the bunkers by an L shaped iron brace bolted to the steel boxes that support the side sheets of the bunker. At the bottom, they rested on the water legs above the lower 2x6's. They usually were formed by four horizontal 2x4's and two vertical 2x4's. I have used single NBW lag bolts through the vertical posts with the bolts on the Vertical boards facing forward. The four horizontal boards are usually 2-3" apart, depending on the verticle measurement.
Because the tenders and the support boxes varied in width, the 2x4's had to fit whatever that distance was. The height of these upper gates was determined by the height of the boxes, which usually extended just above the side sheets. The only coal gates that are the same for me are #71 and #72, which have identical tenders, and the moguls, which also share the same dimensions with each other. So most every gate is made for a particular engine.
The B-4-F's are all different. #75 is pretty normal made in the same way I described above. #74 is actually six boards high because one of the cast retainers was broken and the upper gate extends down between the water legs where the upper 2x6 of the three is missing. #76's gate is also completely different because the support boxes are shorter than the side sheets and mounted sideways. This means that the 2x4's are mounted touching each other and the gate is both shorter in length and width. Being smaller, it is usually stored leaning between the rear of the bunker and water hatch as pictured below. I'm not sure how PBL made the tenders on the B-4-F's. So the coal gates may have to be fitted in the "Normal" way described here.
I prefer to use loose coal loads (Crushed Dickey coal, of course) so to retain the coal, I usually set a piece of styrene painted flat black behind the 2X6's at the bottom. This is evident in the photo of #9 below: RATS!!! The #9 is upside down! How did that happen? I deleted it and reinserted it and it's still upside down. Thanks, Jim, for fixing that.
#74:
#76:
#75:
#60 and #71:
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Basically, all South Park/C&S Engines from Mason Bogies to the big 2-10-2 900's used wood boards to retain coal in the bunkers. The narrow gauge engines used 2x6's between the water legs of the cisterns. They were held in place by cast retainers bolted through the water legs. The upper part of the coal gate is the pallet-like object you see in pictures either in place or in the bunker or behind the bunker. These gates were made of 2x4's and held in place at the front of the bunkers by an L shaped iron brace bolted to the steel boxes that support the side sheets of the bunker. At the bottom, they rested on the water legs above the lower 2x6's. They usually were formed by four horizontal 2x4's and two vertical 2x4's. I have used single NBW lag bolts through the vertical posts with the bolts on the Vertical boards facing forward. The four horizontal boards are usually 2-3" apart, depending on the verticle measurement.
Because the tenders and the support boxes varied in width, the 2x4's had to fit whatever that distance was. The height of these upper gates was determined by the height of the boxes, which usually extended just above the side sheets. The only coal gates that are the same for me are #71 and #72, which have identical tenders, and the moguls, which also share the same dimensions with each other. So most every gate is made for a particular engine.
The B-4-F's are all different. #75 is pretty normal made in the same way I described above. #74 is actually six boards high because one of the cast retainers was broken and the upper gate extends down between the water legs where the upper 2x6 of the three is missing. #76's gate is also completely different because the support boxes are shorter than the side sheets and mounted sideways. This means that the 2x4's are mounted touching each other and the gate is both shorter in length and width. Being smaller, it is usually stored leaning between the rear of the bunker and water hatch as pictured below. I'm not sure how PBL made the tenders on the B-4-F's. So the coal gates may have to be fitted in the "Normal" way described here.
I prefer to use loose coal loads (Crushed Dickey coal, of course) so to retain the coal, I usually set a piece of styrene painted flat black behind the 2X6's at the bottom. This is evident in the photo of #9 below: RATS!!! The #9 is upside down! How did that happen? I deleted it and reinserted it and it's still upside down. Thanks, Jim, for fixing that.
#74:
#76:
#75:
#60 and #71:
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