C&S MOW Combine 025 in C&Sn3
Posted by Jim Courtney on Aug 13, 2023; 6:50am
URL: http://c-sng-discussion-forum.254.s1.nabble.com/C-S-MOW-Combine-025-in-C-Sn3-tp19000.html
Richard B. Jackson photo
Yep, not much happening at Roper's Doghouse--the dog days of August I guess. No C&S model building at my house either, until our summer guests leave for home next week.
I did order and received Roy Stevens new Sn3 C&S combine 20 resin print;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/305027781972?hash=item4705129554:g:eNcAAOSwD81krV6Y&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwGMegzKvJrkUQXpMq5TMlubwzEqN4%2F7bKkL9D%2BwiQpEggI0ehbSxQK5XITHOmzCC77P0%2BP6P6Kv5KSTZ6Ibb0OJgMG3xxYIib40cUPrjCjyCmghCv%2BFApKq1IEnACCg3k%2B7Du8CVkEexQ5eHDb0nS9Pa8uwRlO8bvRytgITTsxn1QN77kwXFpMd1CErd6VGlpJokxTYYa9sq8TkezGtyQE%2F%2BArZVC8K3jjAuafgaRmkW%2BZ6Q%2BV3ie5HRlN840QLlKw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-iHkcC9Yg
It is another fine print. I plan to build it up as I have been C&S RPO/coach 43, but paint it red as C&S MOW combine 025.
I visited Roy's eBay listings today and found that Roy has sold 7 Sn3 prints of C&S 20, as well as 7 HOn3 prints of the little combine. So, fourteen of us now own one of Roy's prints and presumably intend to build them up, paint and operate them. It seemed like a good idea to open this thread, to share photos, drawings and construction techniques in our collective effort to build the resin kits.
History:
The car that was to become C&S 20 was built by the Colorado Central in their Golden shops in 1878, numbered CC number 6:
Alex Martin photo at Beaver Brook. DPL Z-3386.
This is the only 19th century photo that I've found of our little combine as built--perhaps Chris or Todd have others they can share. As built, CC 6 had a duck-bill roof and more side windows, including windows in the baggage compartment. With the reorganization and receivership, CC 6 was renumbered UPD&G 736, then later UPD&G 46. With the creation of the C&S in 1899, the car was numbered C&S 121. The camera shy combine evidently spent a bit of time in the first decade on the Gunnison division, tacked onto the end of freights over Alpine Pass:
This is the only photo of which I'm aware that actually shows C&S 121/20 in revenue service. Taken about 1905 on the rear of a freight climbing the west side of Alpine Pass, near Midway Tank. The car still has its duck-bill roof, but has lost its baggage compartment window. By late 1906, C&S combine 121 had been renumbered to the now famous C&S 20.
The subsequent doings of combine 20 are pretty much a mystery. At some point it had its baggage end platform and roof overhang removed with the roof reconfigured to a bull-nose shape, as in the Folio 24 drawing from 1918:
My copy of Folio 24, corrected to 10-1923, doesn't have a folio drawing for combine 20, although it is still listed in the roster. This might imply that C&S 20 didn't see any use in train service after WWI, probably sitting on a weed grown track in the Denver Coach Yard. But in February of 1925 combine 20 was refurbished a bit, painted red and re-lettered for MOW service as C&S 025. It is my understanding that 025 was assigned to the wreck train, to transport members of the wrecking crew to the latest location of C&S narrow gauge misfortune.
After a 33 year hiatus, photos of combine again turn up, this time as C&S 025:
June, 1938
July, 1938
April, 1940
In April of 1941, C&S 025 was refurbished, re-lettered for C&S 20 in dark green paint with pre-WWI lettering that included the Adams Express Company lettering. The C&S donated the car to the Central City Opera House Association, along with C&S locomotive 71 and the phase 1 coal car. It has been in Central City since.
Richard Kindig photo, Blackhawk, April, 1941
Otto Perry photo, Central City, April, 1941. DPL OP-6370.
James Courtney photo, February 1973.
I am told that John Maxwell offered plans for C&S combine 20, though I have never owned or seen them.
Harry Brunk did a set of "sketch plans" for C&S 20 in his "Up Clear Creek" series in the Gazette:
As for interior details, our own Kurt Maechner posted this color photo on his C&S blog:
Wood work is a medium brown and the seat cushions appear to be a faded green fabric (unless they were recovered in a newer material after the 1941 exhibition placement).
So, that's the sum total of my info on C&S combine 20 / MOW 025. I welcome any corrections of misstatements and any other info or photos that will help us all build better models of this car.
I'm looking forward to starting this project, but C&S RPO/Coach 43 needs to be finished first . . .
URL: http://c-sng-discussion-forum.254.s1.nabble.com/C-S-MOW-Combine-025-in-C-Sn3-tp19000.html
Richard B. Jackson photo
Yep, not much happening at Roper's Doghouse--the dog days of August I guess. No C&S model building at my house either, until our summer guests leave for home next week.
I did order and received Roy Stevens new Sn3 C&S combine 20 resin print;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/305027781972?hash=item4705129554:g:eNcAAOSwD81krV6Y&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwGMegzKvJrkUQXpMq5TMlubwzEqN4%2F7bKkL9D%2BwiQpEggI0ehbSxQK5XITHOmzCC77P0%2BP6P6Kv5KSTZ6Ibb0OJgMG3xxYIib40cUPrjCjyCmghCv%2BFApKq1IEnACCg3k%2B7Du8CVkEexQ5eHDb0nS9Pa8uwRlO8bvRytgITTsxn1QN77kwXFpMd1CErd6VGlpJokxTYYa9sq8TkezGtyQE%2F%2BArZVC8K3jjAuafgaRmkW%2BZ6Q%2BV3ie5HRlN840QLlKw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-iHkcC9Yg
It is another fine print. I plan to build it up as I have been C&S RPO/coach 43, but paint it red as C&S MOW combine 025.
I visited Roy's eBay listings today and found that Roy has sold 7 Sn3 prints of C&S 20, as well as 7 HOn3 prints of the little combine. So, fourteen of us now own one of Roy's prints and presumably intend to build them up, paint and operate them. It seemed like a good idea to open this thread, to share photos, drawings and construction techniques in our collective effort to build the resin kits.
History:
The car that was to become C&S 20 was built by the Colorado Central in their Golden shops in 1878, numbered CC number 6:
Alex Martin photo at Beaver Brook. DPL Z-3386.
This is the only 19th century photo that I've found of our little combine as built--perhaps Chris or Todd have others they can share. As built, CC 6 had a duck-bill roof and more side windows, including windows in the baggage compartment. With the reorganization and receivership, CC 6 was renumbered UPD&G 736, then later UPD&G 46. With the creation of the C&S in 1899, the car was numbered C&S 121. The camera shy combine evidently spent a bit of time in the first decade on the Gunnison division, tacked onto the end of freights over Alpine Pass:
This is the only photo of which I'm aware that actually shows C&S 121/20 in revenue service. Taken about 1905 on the rear of a freight climbing the west side of Alpine Pass, near Midway Tank. The car still has its duck-bill roof, but has lost its baggage compartment window. By late 1906, C&S combine 121 had been renumbered to the now famous C&S 20.
The subsequent doings of combine 20 are pretty much a mystery. At some point it had its baggage end platform and roof overhang removed with the roof reconfigured to a bull-nose shape, as in the Folio 24 drawing from 1918:
My copy of Folio 24, corrected to 10-1923, doesn't have a folio drawing for combine 20, although it is still listed in the roster. This might imply that C&S 20 didn't see any use in train service after WWI, probably sitting on a weed grown track in the Denver Coach Yard. But in February of 1925 combine 20 was refurbished a bit, painted red and re-lettered for MOW service as C&S 025. It is my understanding that 025 was assigned to the wreck train, to transport members of the wrecking crew to the latest location of C&S narrow gauge misfortune.
After a 33 year hiatus, photos of combine again turn up, this time as C&S 025:
June, 1938
July, 1938
April, 1940
In April of 1941, C&S 025 was refurbished, re-lettered for C&S 20 in dark green paint with pre-WWI lettering that included the Adams Express Company lettering. The C&S donated the car to the Central City Opera House Association, along with C&S locomotive 71 and the phase 1 coal car. It has been in Central City since.
Richard Kindig photo, Blackhawk, April, 1941
Otto Perry photo, Central City, April, 1941. DPL OP-6370.
James Courtney photo, February 1973.
I am told that John Maxwell offered plans for C&S combine 20, though I have never owned or seen them.
Harry Brunk did a set of "sketch plans" for C&S 20 in his "Up Clear Creek" series in the Gazette:
As for interior details, our own Kurt Maechner posted this color photo on his C&S blog:
Wood work is a medium brown and the seat cushions appear to be a faded green fabric (unless they were recovered in a newer material after the 1941 exhibition placement).
So, that's the sum total of my info on C&S combine 20 / MOW 025. I welcome any corrections of misstatements and any other info or photos that will help us all build better models of this car.
I'm looking forward to starting this project, but C&S RPO/Coach 43 needs to be finished first . . .
Jim Courtney
Poulsbo, WA
Poulsbo, WA
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