Re: Mystery DL&G outfit car
Posted by Jim Courtney on Jul 17, 2023; 1:52am
URL: http://c-sng-discussion-forum.254.s1.nabble.com/Mystery-DL-G-outfit-car-tp18906p18937.html
This is turning into a great thread. Who cares what's true!
That is a great photo, Chris, where do you find these things? Any date available?
I will take issue with you that the lower numbered D&RG box cars in the 3xxx series were "porchless".
Per Sloan's spiral bound compendium of D&RG freight cars (A Century + Ten . . . ), D&RG boxcars numbered 2351-3060 were built in 1880 as part of equipment trust "B". All were built with Billmeyer and Small components and were identical to all the other 24 foot boxcars in the 2167-4899 series. In 1902, some of these cars had their porches removed for purposes of adaptation to automatic couplers. Since your 3023 still has link-pin couplers, this isn't one of those. Look closely:
Boxcar 3023 is a smidge taller than the other boxcars, side fascia board is wider, the side door is open and opens to the left. The end has a fascia board with straight lower edge. Instead of of the original cast end steps, there are now two angled grab irons. There are corner irons in the middle and bottom of the corners. And the clincher is that the end sheathing is a few inches closer to the rail than the side sheathing.
I believe that your 3023 is one of the B&S 24 footers that was rebuilt to new 27 foot boxcars, probably the second group in the fall of 1888. These rebuilds were done willy-nilly from BO 24' cars needing repair. As the original Trust bonds had not been paid off, they kept their original numbers. Here is another of the 27-foot rebuilds at Fremont Pass in 1884:
Note the new fascia board and the angled grab iron on the end.
I am not stating as fact that Dave's mystery outfit body is one of the D&RG 24 footers, just trying to think outside the box(car) . My point is, Mr. Tovey's UP 03005 has more features in common with the D&RG 24 footers than with any class of CC/DSP&P boxcar with which I'm familiar.
How did it end up as a DL&G outfit car in Boulder Canon? Perhaps one of the D&RG cars (3005) was involved in a wreck while in possession of the DSP&P, or a careless South Park crew side swiped it in Leadville or at the crossing at Robinson or perhaps at the connection in Dillon. The UP reimburses the D&RG for their loss, then decides to rebuild / repair the car as an outfit car, if it wasn't one already. The car body does show definite signs of shopping by the UP though. Not only are the number of roof walk supports different, they are wider than those on the D&RG's one-board running boards, probably 21" for the standard two board South Park style.
As I said, I don't recognize 03005 as of CC or DSP&P heritage. I guess if D&RG depots can move to Como, D&RG boxcars can end up in Boulder Canon--at least they have wheels . . .
URL: http://c-sng-discussion-forum.254.s1.nabble.com/Mystery-DL-G-outfit-car-tp18906p18937.html
This is turning into a great thread. Who cares what's true!
That is a great photo, Chris, where do you find these things? Any date available?
I will take issue with you that the lower numbered D&RG box cars in the 3xxx series were "porchless".
Per Sloan's spiral bound compendium of D&RG freight cars (A Century + Ten . . . ), D&RG boxcars numbered 2351-3060 were built in 1880 as part of equipment trust "B". All were built with Billmeyer and Small components and were identical to all the other 24 foot boxcars in the 2167-4899 series. In 1902, some of these cars had their porches removed for purposes of adaptation to automatic couplers. Since your 3023 still has link-pin couplers, this isn't one of those. Look closely:
Boxcar 3023 is a smidge taller than the other boxcars, side fascia board is wider, the side door is open and opens to the left. The end has a fascia board with straight lower edge. Instead of of the original cast end steps, there are now two angled grab irons. There are corner irons in the middle and bottom of the corners. And the clincher is that the end sheathing is a few inches closer to the rail than the side sheathing.
I believe that your 3023 is one of the B&S 24 footers that was rebuilt to new 27 foot boxcars, probably the second group in the fall of 1888. These rebuilds were done willy-nilly from BO 24' cars needing repair. As the original Trust bonds had not been paid off, they kept their original numbers. Here is another of the 27-foot rebuilds at Fremont Pass in 1884:
Note the new fascia board and the angled grab iron on the end.
I am not stating as fact that Dave's mystery outfit body is one of the D&RG 24 footers, just trying to think outside the box(car) . My point is, Mr. Tovey's UP 03005 has more features in common with the D&RG 24 footers than with any class of CC/DSP&P boxcar with which I'm familiar.
How did it end up as a DL&G outfit car in Boulder Canon? Perhaps one of the D&RG cars (3005) was involved in a wreck while in possession of the DSP&P, or a careless South Park crew side swiped it in Leadville or at the crossing at Robinson or perhaps at the connection in Dillon. The UP reimburses the D&RG for their loss, then decides to rebuild / repair the car as an outfit car, if it wasn't one already. The car body does show definite signs of shopping by the UP though. Not only are the number of roof walk supports different, they are wider than those on the D&RG's one-board running boards, probably 21" for the standard two board South Park style.
As I said, I don't recognize 03005 as of CC or DSP&P heritage. I guess if D&RG depots can move to Como, D&RG boxcars can end up in Boulder Canon--at least they have wheels . . .
Jim Courtney
Poulsbo, WA
Poulsbo, WA
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