Re: C&S RPO / Coach 43 in C&Sn3 -- An Adventure in Resin-Printed Rolling Stock
Posted by Jim Courtney on
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Hey Roy, welcome to the Discussion Forum!!
I want to thank you for printing the RPO/Coach in S scale for me--I'm having a grand time modifying and detailing your wonderful print. This will be the first passenger car build that I've completed in over 50 years (I suffer from clerestoryroofaphobia). The clerestory roof on your C&S RPO/Coach print is exquisite, especially the downward curving end on the coach end. The roof is better than any Shapeways printed roof that I have purchased for experimentation.
I like your concept: An accurate, basic car body, at a reasonable price, with all the hard work of a passenger car printed: Clerestory roof, windows and doors. By omitting small free standing details, you minimize the chance of printing error (he says, knowing nothing about 3-D printing) and allows each of us to add whatever level of detail that we desire. There would still be a craftsman aspect to the project, a "shake-the-box" kit if you want, but also the basis for a well detailed model.
We C&S modelers have thirsted for passenger cars for 30 or so years, since Overland's last brass offerings of the early 1990s. Bill Meredith's Leadville Designs is beginning to fill that void, first with his Pullman sleeper/coaches and now with his baggage car 1 and 2 projects for September. I would hate for you and Bill to work at cross purposes, with competing projects. I would hope that all of us here could give you direction as to what we need and would purchase.
Speaking for myself, these are C&S projects that I would love to see as printed bodies:
Baggage Cars: Consider C&S baggage cars 3 or 4. The arched roof of the side door of C&S 4 would be a natural for 3-D printing. Neither car received the lower metal side sheathing until about 1927, so I would leave them off (easier to add than remove).
RPO: There is already a Shapeways print available for RPO 10, 11, 12. RPO 13 would be a natural choice, as the Overland brass offering in HO and S scales is hard to find and very pricey. RPO 13 was used on Clear Creek in the 1920s and was the most often used RPO in the 1930s. Multiple plans are available and the QuickPic book for C&S 13 has extensive photos.
Combines: I know Bill Meredith is planning a kit for C&S 30 to follow the baggage cars, so I would suggest C&S 26. It was regularly used on Clear Creek on the stub train from Forks Creek to Blackhawk/Central City. When passenger service ceased in 1927, it was likely added to Clear Creek freights for required mixed train service until 1930 or so. It ended it's career in Leadville in the 1930s, still there in the mid-1940s when that surviving segment was standard gauged:
Coaches: I'll go out on a limb here, as I am pretty flush with brass coaches and kits. I'd love to see a print of the coaches with huge observation windows, C&S 59, 78 and 79:
The windows with curved top corners and with almost no letterboard would be difficult and fragile as a laser cut kit, but would possibly lend itself to a printed body. And, finally, there were a large group of observation cars, almost 30 in number, used both on Clear Creek and Platte Canon excursions:
Ken Martin's Passenger Car Plan Book has excellent HO scale plans for each C&S passenger car. I would urge others to opine as to their particular wants.
Finally, I would argue with you about the size of the big brake wheels on the blind ends of the C&S baggage, RPO and combine cars. The C&S 13 RPO QuickPic book has an excellent photo showing the brake wheel diameter to be 24 inches, the brake wheel actually encroaching on the baggage end door:
Best I can tell, these brake wheels were a C&S standard for the car types mentioned, just as Ken Martin and Bob Stears have drawn them in their plans.
Thanks again for making these passenger car prints available to us. It is an exciting time to be a C&S modeler!
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Hey Roy, welcome to the Discussion Forum!!
I want to thank you for printing the RPO/Coach in S scale for me--I'm having a grand time modifying and detailing your wonderful print. This will be the first passenger car build that I've completed in over 50 years (I suffer from clerestoryroofaphobia). The clerestory roof on your C&S RPO/Coach print is exquisite, especially the downward curving end on the coach end. The roof is better than any Shapeways printed roof that I have purchased for experimentation.
I like your concept: An accurate, basic car body, at a reasonable price, with all the hard work of a passenger car printed: Clerestory roof, windows and doors. By omitting small free standing details, you minimize the chance of printing error (he says, knowing nothing about 3-D printing) and allows each of us to add whatever level of detail that we desire. There would still be a craftsman aspect to the project, a "shake-the-box" kit if you want, but also the basis for a well detailed model.
We C&S modelers have thirsted for passenger cars for 30 or so years, since Overland's last brass offerings of the early 1990s. Bill Meredith's Leadville Designs is beginning to fill that void, first with his Pullman sleeper/coaches and now with his baggage car 1 and 2 projects for September. I would hate for you and Bill to work at cross purposes, with competing projects. I would hope that all of us here could give you direction as to what we need and would purchase.
Speaking for myself, these are C&S projects that I would love to see as printed bodies:
Baggage Cars: Consider C&S baggage cars 3 or 4. The arched roof of the side door of C&S 4 would be a natural for 3-D printing. Neither car received the lower metal side sheathing until about 1927, so I would leave them off (easier to add than remove).
RPO: There is already a Shapeways print available for RPO 10, 11, 12. RPO 13 would be a natural choice, as the Overland brass offering in HO and S scales is hard to find and very pricey. RPO 13 was used on Clear Creek in the 1920s and was the most often used RPO in the 1930s. Multiple plans are available and the QuickPic book for C&S 13 has extensive photos.
Combines: I know Bill Meredith is planning a kit for C&S 30 to follow the baggage cars, so I would suggest C&S 26. It was regularly used on Clear Creek on the stub train from Forks Creek to Blackhawk/Central City. When passenger service ceased in 1927, it was likely added to Clear Creek freights for required mixed train service until 1930 or so. It ended it's career in Leadville in the 1930s, still there in the mid-1940s when that surviving segment was standard gauged:
Coaches: I'll go out on a limb here, as I am pretty flush with brass coaches and kits. I'd love to see a print of the coaches with huge observation windows, C&S 59, 78 and 79:
The windows with curved top corners and with almost no letterboard would be difficult and fragile as a laser cut kit, but would possibly lend itself to a printed body. And, finally, there were a large group of observation cars, almost 30 in number, used both on Clear Creek and Platte Canon excursions:
Ken Martin's Passenger Car Plan Book has excellent HO scale plans for each C&S passenger car. I would urge others to opine as to their particular wants.
Finally, I would argue with you about the size of the big brake wheels on the blind ends of the C&S baggage, RPO and combine cars. The C&S 13 RPO QuickPic book has an excellent photo showing the brake wheel diameter to be 24 inches, the brake wheel actually encroaching on the baggage end door:
Best I can tell, these brake wheels were a C&S standard for the car types mentioned, just as Ken Martin and Bob Stears have drawn them in their plans.
Thanks again for making these passenger car prints available to us. It is an exciting time to be a C&S modeler!
Jim Courtney
Poulsbo, WA
Poulsbo, WA
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