Re: C&S #30, a C-16 conversion
Posted by John Greenly on
URL: http://c-sng-discussion-forum.254.s1.nabble.com/C-S-30-a-C-16-conversion-tp15055p16094.html
It's been a long time, but I'm back to work on my #30, and made a few additions that take the engine away from its C-16 beginnings and closer to C&S 30.
First, I made a stack, the rolled and riveted sheet metal early straight stack that some C&S locos got before the cast tapered ones that they all kept until the end. I think #30 had this straight stack in its derailed-at-Como photo configuration that I'm aiming to make. Other examples: #44 had this stack in the good photo that has been posted and discussed elsewhere, and #6 had one in a photo on p.27 of Vol VI NG pictorial (and posted above in this thread), among others. They used the same base as McConnell stacks, so they must have been an easy and quick first replacement on the new elongated smokeboxes. I had already made one of those McConnell bases for my #13 project, I've borrowed it here and need to make another one.
Second, I made the sander fittings and pipes. These were the standard type for this era, and I have a question about them. I've looked at many photos and don't see any sign of a valve or other control on the sand flow. How did these work?
Third, I've started on the smokebox front. After puzzling over the attachment bolt pattern for some time, because in the photos I can't see all of them, I've convinced myself that the front on #30's extended smokebox in the 1910 photos had a 14 mount stud circle. This is fewer bolts than any of the other C&S engines I've looked at. Why that number? I thought to look back to the earlier photo of #34, and was surprised to see that it also had 14 bolts, with the earlier (original) short smokebox and front. So they changed both the smokebox and its front but kept the same bolt pattern... what sort of convoluted history lies behind that? It seems to make sense only if they changed one first and then the other later, forcing them to keep the same bolt pattern. It seems to me that whenever you look at something closely enough on C&S engines you tend to find that unknown and probably lost history underlies choices that were made in the many alterations these engines underwent.
Anyway, here's the engine, with some parts just superglued on temporarily to see what she looks like now:
Looks to me that the nuts on the smokebox front mounting studs are too tall, need to file them down a bit. Now I have to figure out how to make the hinges and especially the clamps (dogs?) on the smokebox door. Does anyone know of a good drawing of the clamps? I'm working from photos and though I've looked at very many, I'm still not sure of the exact shape. Of course, in HO scale I won't be able to make them really right in any case, but I'd like to come as close as I can.
The major egregious remnant of the C-16 is now the pilot. I'm thinking of making a C&S one out of wood like the real thing. But first I have to remove the pilot deck and since it will now be visible, make a proper frame for the pilot, which the Westside model doesn't have.
Cheers,
John
URL: http://c-sng-discussion-forum.254.s1.nabble.com/C-S-30-a-C-16-conversion-tp15055p16094.html
It's been a long time, but I'm back to work on my #30, and made a few additions that take the engine away from its C-16 beginnings and closer to C&S 30.
First, I made a stack, the rolled and riveted sheet metal early straight stack that some C&S locos got before the cast tapered ones that they all kept until the end. I think #30 had this straight stack in its derailed-at-Como photo configuration that I'm aiming to make. Other examples: #44 had this stack in the good photo that has been posted and discussed elsewhere, and #6 had one in a photo on p.27 of Vol VI NG pictorial (and posted above in this thread), among others. They used the same base as McConnell stacks, so they must have been an easy and quick first replacement on the new elongated smokeboxes. I had already made one of those McConnell bases for my #13 project, I've borrowed it here and need to make another one.
Second, I made the sander fittings and pipes. These were the standard type for this era, and I have a question about them. I've looked at many photos and don't see any sign of a valve or other control on the sand flow. How did these work?
Third, I've started on the smokebox front. After puzzling over the attachment bolt pattern for some time, because in the photos I can't see all of them, I've convinced myself that the front on #30's extended smokebox in the 1910 photos had a 14 mount stud circle. This is fewer bolts than any of the other C&S engines I've looked at. Why that number? I thought to look back to the earlier photo of #34, and was surprised to see that it also had 14 bolts, with the earlier (original) short smokebox and front. So they changed both the smokebox and its front but kept the same bolt pattern... what sort of convoluted history lies behind that? It seems to make sense only if they changed one first and then the other later, forcing them to keep the same bolt pattern. It seems to me that whenever you look at something closely enough on C&S engines you tend to find that unknown and probably lost history underlies choices that were made in the many alterations these engines underwent.
Anyway, here's the engine, with some parts just superglued on temporarily to see what she looks like now:
Looks to me that the nuts on the smokebox front mounting studs are too tall, need to file them down a bit. Now I have to figure out how to make the hinges and especially the clamps (dogs?) on the smokebox door. Does anyone know of a good drawing of the clamps? I'm working from photos and though I've looked at very many, I'm still not sure of the exact shape. Of course, in HO scale I won't be able to make them really right in any case, but I'd like to come as close as I can.
The major egregious remnant of the C-16 is now the pilot. I'm thinking of making a C&S one out of wood like the real thing. But first I have to remove the pilot deck and since it will now be visible, make a proper frame for the pilot, which the Westside model doesn't have.
Cheers,
John
John Greenly
Lansing, NY
Lansing, NY
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