New File C&S Operating Charts

[Robert McFarland]

Don't forget C&S 55/Milw 4 on p371.

[Chris Walker]

U&N #265 had short rods, long rods as DL&G #265 and back to short as C&S #62.

[John Schapekahm]

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[Derrell Poole]

Thanks everyone for the corroborating. John. It has been perhaps 40 years since I first purchased and read Vol. VI. Mostly I look at the pich-chers. Maybe I'm jaded by text full of facts that don't seem to have real justification - or were copied from text by original historians. Thanks for the excerpts both here and in Wolle's book.

Here is a list of engines I found with short rods just going thru some of my photos;

No. 61 - 1899 (short rods 1920)
No. 62 (265) (short rods 1886) 265 (long rods 1897) 62 (short rods 1901)
No. 64 - 1900 (short rods 1903)
No. 66 - 1899
No. 69 (272) - 1897 (short rods 1905)

Mostly B-4Cs and Ds. Never any B-3X types. And I haven't found the photo I was thinking with a B-4E in short rod. I don't think I imagined that. I'll be on the lookout for it...

[SteveG]

Got a quick question about an apparent anomaly in the tonnage charts--the listed tonnage (240) for B-4-Es going eastbound from Jefferson to Kenosha seems awfully high against the data for the other engines, especially the heavier and higher tractive effort B-4-Fs? Should that have been 140, not 240, for the B-4-E class?

[Rick Steele]

My recommendation is to so what I did and go and check a few (not just one) C&S timetables. It may be a typo on my part, or a typo on the C&S's part, but right now I really don't care all that much. Why? because except for 71 and 74, neither of which operate, and the track in question, long since scrapped, the comparisons are no more than speculative.  If you want to question, the sources that you will find are old C&S timetables with the tonnage ratings listed. I own no originals, I used all commercially available reprints.

I know, I'm a blasphemer. Your extrapolation sounds logical, but in the great realm of history, what will it ultimately matter?

Rick

[SteveG]

Agree it's small beer in the overall scheme of things; I'd been graphing the data to get some relative ruling grades for a planned layout centered around Como circa 1910, and that number sort of jumped out as an outlier.
Will see if I can find some of the source docs to verify.
Thanks for collecting this stuff!

[Chris Walker]

Case Spur to Kenosha listed as follows:
B-3-A   85
B-4-A 110
B-4-B 110
B-3-B 130
B-4-C 130
B-3-C 130
B-4-D 130
B-4-E 140
B-4-F 185

sourced from pg269 C&S Highline Memories and then some.  Tom Klinger.

[SteveG]

That jibes with the 1922 tonnage chart from the facsimile C&S employee time table in Poor's Memorial Edition map pocket: 1922_Colorado_and_Southern_Tonnage_Chart.pdf