Hello everyone
As I start to paint some models, I need to finish them internally first. Many years ago PFM sound was state of the art, now with digital control and sound, a new area of controlling your models is here. I have some experience with Zimo and ESU in my European models. However, I am new to the US way of doing it. Norm already offered his advice (thank you!). Hi Christian, My friend and neighbor Dusty installed a Blunami decoder in his Fn3 D&RGW C-21. He used the higher amperage rated unit for large scale, but their offerings for smaller scales operate the same way. The Soundtraxx Tsunami system has excellent sound effects and lighting features and is very popular in the industry. The BlueRail Trains Blunami app has versions for both Android and Apple platforms and has a very easy to use controller interface. It's a very good standalone program that makes it easy to run DCC without a system-dedicated throttle and command station - in fact even the Lego train folks use it for show displays. I installed the app on my Android phone and was controlling his locomotive in about three minutes. I've used Tsunami decoders for years and their products and support are excellent. Ive also had very good results with Loksound and TCS Wowsound decoders as well. We could start a new thread or feel free to private message me if you have any further questions. Cheers, Norm What are your experiences with DCC and sound? Thank you for your advice. Christian |
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Hi Chris. Absolutely none. I'm not even sure I can spell DCC without spellcheck. But I'm interested in learning.
I am in the process of collecting HO Brass that can be modified as C&S Locomotives I remember as a far, far younger version of myself in the 50's. This is #914, the last steam locomotive built for the C&S in 1922. Scrapped in 1960. I completed modifications and painting in 1986. I'm thinking of upgrading these engines into the 21st Century. Don't hold your breath, but I'm thinking about it. C&Ssg! |
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Christian, as I prepared to commit to a layout about 20 years ago, I reached out to PBL to express interest in one of their systems thinking it was DCC instead of an updated version of PFM. Oh, well.
Once I got things straight, I started off with a SoundTraxx sound decoder--I think a DCS small steam for one of my 2-8-0s. Since then, almost by accident, all but a couple locomotives have SoundTraxx decoders. The exceptions are two K-37 models that have another brand--LokSound, maybe? The K-37s sound terrific, and I have not had any issues. Now I do have a range of SoundTraxx prodcuts, from that original TCS decoder to Tsunami's, a Tsunami II or several, and pretty soon a Blunami. That is what happens in the industry over 20 years or so. What I hear from my HO modeling friends is that they express frustration that different decoders from different manufactures don't seem to play well together. These are folks that are consisting and speed matching locos, not an issue I anticipate having. Those with more DCC savvy than me may disagree, but i think there is some sense to it. My plan is to have a throtttle/ engineer for each locomotive, so a three-engine train would have a crew of three to get it over the hill. That may tax my space, which only has room for 4-5, but then when you get to the top of the pass, you can cut off the helpers and have them run light down the hill, just like the real thing! Before we get in too deep, there are sound decoders that have motor controls, and it is possible to have a sound decoder just for the sound, and a separate decoder just for the motor. I believe some of my locos are set up this way. I don't know that SoundTraxx decoders have any motor operation issues--maybe the earlier decoders did, but I think now the Tsunami-series and Blunami have all the sophisticated operation functions that other brands without sound had. The decoder is only part of the system: you need to commit to a DCC system! There is no better way to rile up an online forum than to start talking about DCC systems. I chose Digitrax years ago, and have stuck with my simplex system. I heard there were issues with the duplex system, though a friend has one and reports no issues. I like the small throttles with the knob operation and know how to acquire and dispatch lococmotives, which is different on different systems.. My plan is to standardize the sound functions someday across all my locomotives. Most are pretty close now. I know there are some that are passionate about NCC and Lenz. I never liked the large "hammerhead" throttles and the dial button. That is my personal preference and leave you to interpret Rule Number 1 for yourself. Probably the best piece of advice is to get a system that is used by others in your area: the ability to have others to help troubleshoot is invaluable! I have been operating on DCC-equipped layouts for over a decade, and the freedom DCC brings is terrific. No more block switching. I love the sounds and the spirit of reality it adds to operating sessions. When I converted my small switching layout from DC block control to DCC, I WAS ASTOUNED by the amount of wire I pulled from that 10-foot-long layout. Have fun!
Keith Hayes
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All, I have been doing some research. The two major systems are different in the following ways.
Europe (ESU, Zimo): They offer empty decoders and the possibility to upload sound files. ESU has about 30 different US steam engines available. Each sound file can be changed and adapted to one's needs. The access to functions for lights, servos, etc. is given in a preset but can be changed as desired. Programming is done via a computer and a decoder programming device. US: Each decoder has a set of generic sounds on the decoder. It is possible to select the sounds for each engine and then program the intensity and properties via the handheld device. JMRI is a software solution that offers many different options for how to control decoders and even the entire layout. Access and programming of decoders is done via special hardware or command stations. Advantages of the European system: You program the decoder yourself and have all the options. There is an original sound file from No 9 when it ran on the Georgetown loop. Disadvantages: Steep learning curve and cost of programming device Advantages of the US system: sound is on the decoder, selection of sounds is straightforward Disadvantages of the US system: specific sounds of a locomotive are not available. Any comments or additions? I tend to go for the European system as I already have the programming device for the decoder. ESU has the following sounds available: https://projects.esu.eu/projectoverviews/18?type=steam&order=date Maybe the sound file from the C-19 at the CRRM of 346 for C&S 72 and a mogul sound for No 8 would do well. Have a listen to what the files sound like. Best, Christian |
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