DSP&P/CC/UPD&G/DL&G/C&S "Timeline"

[Darel Leedy]

Corporate
1898 C&S formed from UPD&G and DL&G. [1]
1908 CB&Q purchased C&S from Hawley interests. [1]
1912 C&S sold its 50% stake in the Colorado Midland. [1]
1920 D&RG -> D&RGW [1]
1928 C&S petitioned ICC to abandon Waterton to Leadville (denied 1930). [1, 6]
1935 C&S petitioned ICC to abandon Denver to Climax (granted 1937). [1]

Denver

Clear Creek

Morrison Branch
1874 Denver, Sixth and Larimer to Bear Creek Junction* +6.67 miles
1874 Bear Creek Junction* to Morrison +9.71 miles, total 16.38 miles
1878 Soda Lake Spur +0.25 miles, total 16.63 miles
1878 Garfield Quarry Branch +2.75 miles, total 19.38 miles
1911 Morrison line extension +.2 miles
1919 Morrison Line reduced -.41 miles
1919 Garfield Quarry branch taken up  -2.75 miles
1919 Soda Lake spur taken up -.25 miles
1925 Last mixed service
1934 Morrison line reduction to Lakeland -6.31 miles
1938 Remainder of Morrison line beyond Sheridan Junction taken up -3.45 miles
* Later, Sheridan Junction

Silica Branch
1908/09 Silica branch constructed. [2, 3]
1912 Silicated Brick Company reorganized as Silica Brick and Clay Company. [2]
1916 Silica Brick and Clay Company failed. [2]
1940 Silica branch "abandoned" (although intermittent service remained). [2, 5]
1941 Silica branch salvaged. [2, 3]

Platte Canon
1937 Waterton to Como abandoned. [1]

High Line
1895 Wilfley's Mill spur (Kokomo) constructed. [6]
1895 Kokomo "downtown" depot constructed. [6, 7]
1902 Dickey coal chute constructed. [6]
1908 Breene's Mill spur (Kokomo) constructed. [6]
1909 Boreas Pass engine house burned. [3]
1910 Boreas Pass service suspended. [1]
1911 D&RG Blue River branch leased to C&S, but not operated after January. [1]
1913 Boreas Pass service resumed. [1]
1914 - 18 Kokomo depot moved to main-line. [6, 7]
1915 C&S petitioned ICC for abandonment (denied). [1]
1923 D&RGW petitioned ICC for abandonment of Blue River branch (granted). [1]
1924 D&RGW Blue River branch salvaged. [1]
1934 Boreas Pass snow shed burned. [3]
1937 Como to Climax abandoned. [1]
1938 Como to Climax salvaged. [1], [5]
1943 Climax to Leadville standard gauged. [1]
1962 Climax to Leadville saw last use of steam power on Class I US railroad. [1]

Gunnison
~1906 Alpine Tunnel stone engine and boarding houses burned (including original water and coaling facilities). [3]
1906 Alpine Tunnel frame boarding house constructed. [4]
1907 50-foot turntable installed at Alpine Tunnel. [3]
1908 Alpine Tunnel water tank constructed. [3]
1910 Alpine Tunnel closed. [1]
1910 Trout Creek pass closed. [1]
1911 D&RG took over operation of Baldwin branch and Parlin to Quartz portion of mainline. [1]
1915 Gunnison and Parlin water tanks removed. [1]
1922 Track between Schwanders and Garos salvaged. [1]
1923 Rails between Parlin and Gunnison and between Quartz and Hancock sold. [1]
1924 Buena Vista to Hancock abandoned. [1]
1926 Buena Vista to Romley salvaged. [1]
1932 D&RGW/C&S petitioned ICC for abandonment of Parlin to Quartz (granted 1934). [1]
1934 Parlin to Quartz salvaged. [1]

Ohio Creek
1911 D&RG took over operation of Baldwin branch (and Parlin to Quartz portion of mainline). [1]
1937 C&S Baldwin branch sold to D&RGW. [1]

Motive Power
1902 B-4C's re-boilered and equipped with straight stacks [9]
1905 all engines now have shotgun stacks (engines #13, #30 #59 were all photographed around 1910 with atypical, new diamond stacks, perhaps a temporary experiment in spark control) [9, 13]
1913 Como (cone-style) spark arrestors [10]
1917/18 Ridgway (bear-trap) spark arrestors [10]
1931 #70 converted to oil [9]

Freight Cars
1897/98 St. Charles 3-board truss coal cars (UPD&G 3930 - 4015, to C&S 4000 - 4085 in 1899) [11]
1898 St. Charles truss box cars (UPD&G 6500 - 6524, to C&S 7722 - 7746 in 1899) [11]
1898 St. Charles 4-board truss coal cars (4086 - 4245) [8]
1898 St. Charles truss box cars (8025 - 8064) [8]
1898 St. Charles truss reefers (550 - 555) [8]
1902 C&S/ASF truss coal cars (4246 - 4407) [8]
1902 C&S/ASF truss flat cars (1078 - 1097) [8]
1903 C&S/ASF truss box car (8065) [8]
1906 C&S/ASF truss box car (8066) [8]
1907 C&S/ASF truss box cars (8067 - 8102) [8]
1907/08 C&S/Bettendorf truss coal cars (4408 - 4497) [8]
1907/08 C&S/Bettendorf truss box cars (8103 - 8192) [8]
1908 -1917 surviving C&S cabooses rebuilt from their DL&G/UPD&G predecessors [8, 12]
1909 C&S/Bettendorf SUF reefers (500 - 519) [8]
1909/10 C&S/Bettendorf SUF box cars (8193 - 8419) [8]
1910 C&S/Bettendorf SUF coal cars (4498 - 4547) [8]
1911 reefers renumbered (500 - 519 to 1100 - 1119; 550 - 555 to 1120 - 1125) [3]
1918 coal car conversions to drop/removable end configuration (renumbered 4600 - 4614)  [8]


References
[1] Osterwald, Doris B., High Line to Leadville
[2] Douglas County Historic Preservation Board, Silicated Brick Company Landmark Application
[3] Poor, M. C., Denver South Park and Pacific
[4] Helmers, Dow, Historic Alpine Tunnel
[5] Ferrell, Mallory H., C&Sng
[6] Mather, Sandra F., PhD, Frisco and the Ten Mile Canyon
[7] Schoppe, Bob, "A Visit to Kokomo", Bogies and the Loop vol 10 issue 2
[8] Poole, Derrell, from Narrow Gauge Pictorial vol VIII
[9] Wagner, Hol F. Jr., The Colorado Road
[10] Coleman, George L. Narrow Gauge Pictorial vol VI
[11] Poole, Derrell, from C&S Connection plans, 1989
[12] Poole, Derrell, "A History of Colorado & Southern Cabooses, Part 3", Outdoor Railroader, 12-1995/1-1996.
[13] http://c-sn3-discussion-forum.41377.n7.nabble.com/South-Park-Time-Line-Footnote-The-Diamond-Stacks-of-1910-td3903.html

[Mike Trent]

Thanks, Darel!

[Kurt Maechner]

Great work, Darel!

[Dave Eggleston]

Thanks for doing this Darel!

I have a few thoughts/questions. I'll post them here at the risk of messing up the thread with this conversation. Please purge this if its not the right place.

1- I can't edit Jeff's post so is my only choice to create a new post? I fear this risks causing the timeline to become disjointed and hard to follow. Could editing a post be expanded to specific individuals or is that too difficult to manage? Ideas?

2- To help keep things focused, do we want another thread where people can ask timeline questions, suggest edits, report problems so as to preserve the timeline sticky as just information with no side chatter?

3 - Are people looking for pure dates with simple text entries? This seems a good way to keep things under control. Are there preferences?

4- Sources should be mandatory, in my mind. Information I'd be sharing isn't necessarily from a given book but possibly from photos, company documents, public documents or period newspapers. Rather than footnotes I would prefer to add these citations in parentheses at the end of each item. Yays or nays?

5- Do we want/need any vetting/editing prior to posting? And, dare I say it, rules/suggestions on entry format and length?

I would like to contribute what I can at a high level for the things I've researched on the South Park, Colorado Central, GSL&P and UP subs in the 1872-1898 period. The question will be how much detail is "high level." To me, knowing the monthly progress of track and equipment acquired during the Leadville boom period of 1878-1880 could be interesting. Same with the expansion from BV to Baldwin or the development of Blackhawk and Central. For other folks, not so much. It can be argued in the early years a lot happened quickly then things slowed to a more sane pace.

[Mike Trent]

Hi Dave. I would suggest you start a new thread which outlines what you are wanting to share and seek input from others. Then see where it goes. One thing I have enjoyed about this Forum is that it allows for a great deal of information to be shared and also archived. Darel and I share concern with others who wish at least some assurance that information which is contributed both from research and also other sources such as interviews can be saved in a way that future researchers, modelers, and historians might find valuable.

The best way this can be achieved is for our members and participants post information that is of interest to them and to encourage others to participate. Keith Pachina's  excellent thread on the Gilpin lines sets an example of a single thread containing seemingly endless information. At some point, it may be useful to start a second installment to make it easier to both load and follow. There are numerous other threads which contain solid information and interest, and then drop out of current view but can still be reached through the search tools of both the Forum and the Blog.

So I'd suggest you go for it and see where it leads. We'll be happy to help with sorting, moving, or other suggestions if your topic branches out in different directions.

Darel and I will pursue options that can offer permanent storage and access of the information archived herein the Blog.

Thanks for your interest and willingness to share!

Mike