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Todd - I’m planning on converting it to On3 - I have the Grandt axles and frame falsies on order. I’m not sure how far I will take it, I’m thinking it will just be a stand-in. If my interest in modeling in On3 takes off, I’d probably replace it with brass. I’m deeply committed to working in P:48, though so any C&S modeling I might do is going to be fairly shallow. Thanks! Ken
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Ken,
I have acquired some On3 C&S models in the past year but have not gotten much beyond buying and researching. I have also filled out my book collection on the C&S quite a bit. I have not purchased an of the parts but have done some looking. I am interested in the 1900-1915 era, which was a time of many changes it seems… Best, Todd
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I believe that #12 and #13 were also rebuilt by the UP in the 1890's. They, exactly like #21 and #22 bear no resemblance to the original Brooks or Cook designs.
For whatever reason, the UP and later C&S retained the original builder's names on the folio sheets. After the rebuilds, these four engines are actually UP built. In exactly the same way, the C&S rebuilds of the remaining Cookes from the DSP&P into the B-3-C class after 1900 are no longer Cooke engines, they are C&S. I know there are those who completely disagree with this, but I'm sure I'm right. This is one of those cases where the folio sheets have to be taken with a grain of salt. Photos don't lie. Over the years many have argued that the Balboa DSP&P moguls were not made correctly because they don't match the C&S folio. But they do match the Cooke drawings. The key to all this for me is to study the height of the cab roofs to the boiler and the domes in photos of both the UP rebuilds and the pre rebuilt Cookes. It can be confusing, because as Keith pointed out, many believe #12 and #13 should still be Cookes, because the folios say they are, but they aren't. Instead, they are virtually identical to the rebuilt #21 and #22. |
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I believe that #11 was also in the UP rebuild cycle along with #12 and #13. It ended up with the same look but seems to have worn out early or perhaps been damaged in some roll-over and was the first one scrapped. Klinger's Clear Creek Memories has a lovely picture of the #11 on page 223. One of my day-dreams is to run across a couple more Key #22s and build all three B3As. Skip Egdorf Los Alamos, NM
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Hi Skip, I'm sure you are right. I didn't look anything up last night when I wrote that, but I knew there can't be any doubt about 12 and 13.
Look at any of the pictures of the engines that were rebuilt into the B-3-C class in the early 1900's. Including that well known one of #7. Those are what unrebuilt Cooke engines look like. Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "skip [via C&Sng Discussion Forum]" <ml+s41377n9908h79@n7.nabble.com> Date: 10/31/17 8:21 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Mike Trent <mtrent476@gmail.com> Subject: Re: #21 v #22 Mike Trent wrote I believe that #12 and #13 were also rebuilt by the UP in the 1890's. They, exactly like #21 and #22 bear no resemblance to the original Brooks or Cook designs. ... It can be confusing, because as Keith pointed out, many believe #12 and #13 should still be Cookes, because the folios say they are, but they aren't. Instead, they are virtually identical to the rebuilt #21 and #22. I believe that #11 was also in the UP rebuild cycle along with #12 and #13. It ended up with the same look but seems to have worn out early or perhaps been damaged in some roll-over and was the first one scrapped. Klinger's Clear Creek Memories has a lovely picture of the #11 on page 223. One of my day-dreams is to run across a couple more Key #22s and build all three B3As. Skip Egdorf Los Alamos, NM Skip Egdorf If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://c-sng-discussion-forum.41377.n7.nabble.com/21-v-22-tp7249p9908.html To unsubscribe from #21 v #22, click here. NAML |
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I have Mallory's book on the late period of the C&S. Towards the back there's a number of pages of rolling stock and logos. # 21 and #22 are both there Fred Cotterell
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